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YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by Gibbon1 »

dogma1138 wrote: post #146
slg wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It is coordinated. Is there any evidence of this besides the announcements just happening on the same day? It could be companies waiting to announce these moves on Monday morning after days of seeing Facebook embroiled in controversy for not doing this. Or maybe one company decided to make this move and other companies fast tracked anything they had planned on this so they wouldn't be viewed as ignoring this issue.…

Coordination doesn’t mean collusion, there are plenty of reasons why to coordinate such as to avoid platform hopping and not having to deal with a bunch of angry people flocking to your platform and to share the news cycle. The likelihood of high profile bans like these not being coordinated is slim.

I'm pretty sure social media platforms all have the same problematic groups set up for one click deletion. If one pulls the trigger it's trivial for the rest to do it too.

It's the same coordination you see in penguins jumping off an ice flow. They'll all bunch up looking for sea lions they know are lurking. Eventually one jumps in or gets pushed and they all jump in right after.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by baddox »

Edd314159 wrote: post #5
fvdessen wrote: post #3

I haven't watched Stefan in a long time, is he now producing content in the same register as David Duke & Richard Spencer ? It did not seem to be the case a few years ago.

I used to listen to Stefan Molyneux about 10 years ago because he had some interesting views on free market economics. Now I look him up on Wikipedia and find out he's turned into a white nationalist. What the hell happened?

Most likely, he always had these beliefs, but he knew they were socially unacceptable so he kept them to himself. When a massive and lucrative potential audience developed on YouTube, of course he's going to be there to go after those views.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by 9HZZRfNlpR »

absurdturd wrote: post #341
9HZZRfNlpR wrote: post #297

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What is wrong with that? He did the same with Sanders and they were both interesting.

I mean there's the problem right there — you're talking about Bernie Sanders and Ben Shapiro as if they're two people equally deserving of equal space on an enormous platform of listeners.

Well yes.. I don't see why not. He brings a lot of different crowd, I'm not an American so I don't care about your childish bipartisan politics, but him talking to candidates gave me a better overview than watching 48h of your news channels.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by slg »

iratewizard wrote: post #356
slg wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It is coordinated. Is there any evidence of this besides the announcements just happening on the same day? It could be companies waiting to announce these moves on Monday morning after days of seeing Facebook embroiled in controversy for not doing this. Or maybe one company decided to make this move and other companies fast tracked anything they had planned on this so they wouldn't be viewed as ignoring this issue.…

There were several posts predicting this exact outcome yesterday on subreddits drama. The people close to the pulse knew.

Do you care to point to something that backs up that claim? I can't find any mention on that subreddit about anything relating to Youtube or Twitch bans.

https://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+site%3Areddit.com%2F...

https://www.google.com/search?q=twitch+site%3Areddit.com%2Fr...

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by ohgodplsno »

chrisco255 wrote: post #22

It's a purge. It won't stop with these three. The censorship will continue to get worse and be disproportionately applied to those on the right until all is left with the world. Conservatism has a place in society. I'm not endorsing any of these guys viewpoints nor am I associating them with conservatism in general, because it's a broad group of over 100 million people in the U.S. with a diverse range of opinions tha…

>Conservatism has a place in society.

Literal white supremacists and nazis however, do not. Those people should be pushed so far off any platform that their only option left is to be the crazies screaming on Times Square that the end of the world is coming.

These people actively contributed to fostering hatred in societies, And no, you will not fight them off with debates. The time it takes you to rebuke a single one of their arguments means they can spew a dozen more of theirs.

By the way, it's not free speech. The government isn't banning them.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by rayiner »

gguevaraa wrote: post #379
lappet wrote: post #343

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Any thoughts on why the Klan hasn't yet been banned outright?

Supreme Court rulings[0][1]. They consistently rule in favor of free speech and believe something along the lines of "defending the thought that we hate". They even sided with the Westboro Baptist Church (the people with the offensive signs)[2] so they're pretty committed to "absolute" free speech. [0]: https://www.oyez.org/cases/1968/492 [1]: https://www.oyez.org/cases/2002/01-1107 [2]: https://www.oyez.org/cases/20…

That protection of speech, mind you, doesn’t just extend to the KKK. There are a lot of things people on HN probably like (pornography, violent video games) that have been protected by exactly the same principles.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by iratewizard »

rickbutton wrote: post #373
iratewizard wrote: post #349

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Free speech so long as you agree with what they're saying.

What free speech? The government isn't preventing these awful people from spewing their hate. Companies refusing to host their content is not a violation of the first amendment. And yes, free speech, so long as everyone in the room agrees that all of the humans in said room are human. Anything less than that, and they can get the hell out of the room, their ideas aren't worth discussing. If you don't agree with that,…

Wouldn't it be crazy if mega corporations could be used as tools to circumvent the first amendment? If Visa could tell Stripe who they're allowed to do business with when people in power get a little worried about what's being said?

And when did the first amendment stop protecting (some) dehumanizing speech? It definitely still protects dehumanizing progressive speech. How long before we have a list of types of speech no longer covered by free speech. How long until what I'm saying now is no longer covered?

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by [deleted] »

lappet wrote: post #370
gojomo wrote: post #362

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In the USA, the reason is the 1st Amendment in the Bill of Rights. Both in text & traditional interpretation, that gives them the right to speak & assemble – but not do other non-communicative actions that would be criminal no matter the motivations.

Wasn't the Klan responsible for hate-mongering and terrorist activities in the past?

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