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Americans, it turns out, would rather visit a store than buy food online

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Re: Americans, it turns out, would rather visit a store than buy food online

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None of your "actual disasters" have actually happened. For most living Americans, I think you can make a fair argument that this is the biggest disaster in their lifetime. Though I'm open to give other candidates a fair hearing. Keep in mind that this one is far from over yet!

I would call this epic over reaction. The actual virus is not as scary as being reported in the news. The death rate are very low. If this virus has death rate like ebola then that would be really is a disaster.

Even aside from deaths, the economic damage alone is rather epic.

Re: Americans, it turns out, would rather visit a store than buy food online

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Effectively, there is no difference between an apple and one with a bruise. I still get the same nutrition and taste, most other differences being unimportant. A jacket with a hole has massive loss of effectiveness, and I don't receive a new jacket to wear each day. A car with a dent has significant loss of value, not that it's something I'm terribly concerned with, I run all cars until they die.

>Effectively, there is no difference between an apple and one with a bruise. I still get the same nutrition and taste, most other differences being unimportant. That's simply not true. The bruises become rot spots and before getting there they introduce oxidation which affects taste. The shelf life is then also diminished not only for the bruised apple, but for any that are nearby. Relatively speaking, I think the br…

You could compare it to rust instead.

Re: Americans, it turns out, would rather visit a store than buy food online

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Seems like a bold prediction that most (maybe any?) grocery stores have the level of corporate organization or even level of education to even consider a "secret order substitution to prole cart-pushers who will then have to answer customer service calls asking why their order was amended to add a more expensive item". Someone down the line has to actually act out the 'evil algorithm', and will then have to actually…

Maybe we have different experiences but you talk as if substitutions are not a regular part of the process - I'm not a massive delivery shopper but in the pre-Covid era it was almost unheard of to get a delivery without at least one item substituted when you forget to deselect substitution. I switch amongst three of the major chains and the experience is basically the same. Also I don't think your approach need be ho…

Substitutions are omnipresent in my experience, but I view that as a symptom of almost all stores having really profoundly bad inventory tracking (do the developers for the web platform even know whether they have any items on the shelf at all?) so even with ordinary infrastructure hiccups I'd expect there to never be completely filled orders.

I don't know too much about the way the restocking priorities are established, but it appears to be totally ad hoc and at the behest of the shift worker on the line at the moment your order us started from what I've seen. The stores would need to have inventory systems fine grained enough to know that there are high margin items in stock to be swapped in to implement this kind of malicious action plan, but I think most stores (that aren't Walmart) don't even have their inventory spatially mapped at all, let alone multiple times per day to actively dump target items.

Re: Americans, it turns out, would rather visit a store than buy food online

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I have had so many bad experiences with instacart: * shopper buying yams rather than potatoes (note: this was not a replacement, they seemed to genuinely believe they had bought potatoes.) * shopper going to checkout before I can suggest a better replacement for an item. * shopper buys obviously moldy fruit. * shopper buys five roaster chickens as a replacement for five cornish hens. * shopper gives up really easily…

I like ordering groceries online, but I think the idea of instant grocery shopping is flawed.

1) You're depending on & supporting an oppressed segment of the labor force (people who need multiple jobs to make ends meet, because no 'gig economy' startup pays a living wage), 2) You're fighting with "surges" of use and paying wildly varying prices, with wildly varying levels of service, 3) You don't even get the items you're looking for half the time (in my experience), 4) It's more expensive!, 5) you don't actually need groceries delivered to you instantly.

Since COVID-19 I have switched to buying from local businesses and getting food from Co-ops and farm shares (and growing my own). I can schedule regular deliveries of produce to my door in bulk (in reusable containers), which not only reduces waste, it actually helps me plan my week/month better, I still get all the things I wanted, the price is fair, and I'm helping local farms and businesses.

I'm pretty sure the reason most people don't do this is that they're lazy, selfish, greedy and entitled. My evidence is the last two weekends I've ventured out into the world to look at apartments to rent, with the occasional jaunt to a hiking trail. I found virtually nobody was wearing a mask or socially distancing, unless they were forced to by a greeter in front of a business like a grocery store (many customers were trying to walk in without a mask, and thankfully were rebuffed). Many probably could have ordered online the same way I did, but would rather the immediacy of 'do it yourself' - even during a pandemic.

Sadly it's the poorest and most vulnerable people that need grocery delivery the most, because they have the hardest time getting to a store. A poor person in a food desert may need to spend over two hours round trip on transportation in order to get food, and an elderly person may just not be mobile enough. I doubt we would ever fund a public delivery service for them (though in theory the postal service could).

Re: Americans, it turns out, would rather visit a store than buy food online

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I have had so many bad experiences with instacart: * shopper buying yams rather than potatoes (note: this was not a replacement, they seemed to genuinely believe they had bought potatoes.) * shopper going to checkout before I can suggest a better replacement for an item. * shopper buys obviously moldy fruit. * shopper buys five roaster chickens as a replacement for five cornish hens. * shopper gives up really easily…

This reminds me of the price/quality matrix: * Using your own money to buy something for yourself: price and quality matter. * Using your own money to buy something for someone else. Price matters, not quality. * Using other people's money to buy something for other people. Neither price nor quality matter. It's one of the explanations for how we end up with so much waste with governments and organizations. They use…

I’m a shopper at a grocery store and I do my best to shop like I’m shopping for myself. Am either fast or in my training grace period. I’m a terrible employee generally, too much care. I assume I’ll be fired and will do my best shopping until then. I did get the job randomly and had shopped there often prior, a clerk brought me to the hiring manager so it was easy to get hired. Of course each day it sinks in that it’s a business with managers and metrics. At least programming technical debt paid well, it seems clear that outside of boutique consulting it’s all about the numbers... good to know for sure.

Re: Americans, it turns out, would rather visit a store than buy food online

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Huh? No, you'd read that and then not order it in the first place.

> not order it in the first place Which was OP's conclusion so I'm not sure why understanding the nuances of the pricing is helpful

Nope. The OP was over-generalizing it as inherent to online grocery shopping, the reply pointed out they just need to pick a different seller.

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Recent substitutions I've seen (where I specified "no substitutions"): Ice cream flavors: my favorite for something I'd never pick (still ate it, annoyed) Margarine instead of butter -- the heck? Won't use it. Vanilla yogurt in place of plain yogurt. Slowly eating it for breakfast, annoyed; can't use it in savory dishes which is what it's for. Juices: I can't stand sugar alcohols, and got a ton of crap full of sucral…

> I can't stand sugar alcohols, and got a ton of crap full of sucralose I don't think Sucralose is a sugar alchohol. You can spot those because they end with "ol" - Mannitol, Sorbitol etc. I find it pallatable myself.

Something I've noticed recently is they are getting quite fast and loose with the "natural flavoring" terminology. At first, I thought that something with Sucralose was considered to be naturally flavored because sweetener isn't a flavoring according to some legal definition. But then I saw something with artificial flavor listed in the ingredients, so my revised hypothesis is it must be legal now to say something contains natural flavoring even when it also contains artificial flavoring. If your reaction is "this is technically correct", my objection is that it's vacuous, since everything technically contains natural flavoring.

One of my points here is also that I don't blame the order picker if they got something with Sucralose by accident.

Re: Americans, it turns out, would rather visit a store than buy food online

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They don't always respect this. I've had multiple Instacart shoppers replace items without marking them as replacements, including replacing some of them with things I explicitly indicated I did not want as replacements.

A company I do contract work for banned Instacart from one of their local stores entirely due to customer complaints to store management about unapproved substitutions.

Wait, why complain to the store?

Re: Americans, it turns out, would rather visit a store than buy food online

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> Even more reason to ensure the more expensive items are viewed first. Not if you want your customers to have a not-miserable enough experience that they will actually buy from you, and continue buying from you in the future.

Marketers rarely care about you having a not-miserable experience. In fact, the key insight behind many of the common dark patterns is that you can inflict a lot of annoyance on your customers before they start to bounce, and meanwhile at each step a fraction of those customers will fall prey to the sales technique and spend more money than they should. (Consider: if your choice is between ordering on-line and going…

Maybe people do not bounce just because of the bad sorting, but it adds up. The article is all about people bouncing from online shopping, and we're replying to someone who chose bad sorting to point out.

Re: Americans, it turns out, would rather visit a store than buy food online

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Amazon does this sort of direct fulfillment under the Prime Now name. They don't do a great job of keeping a consistent set of things in stock, though. Kroger brands also do this. But you can still get inventory problems - something the system thinks is in stock on Monday at noon when you place the order can be gone by Tuesday at 6 when they're packing your order for you. Both of those have been way better in my expe…

> Amazon does this sort of direct fulfillment under the Prime Now name. Do they? When I order, the food comes from my local Whole Foods in a passenger vehicle, and I get the same OOS issues as Instacart. How is the process any different than how Instacart works?

Prime Now gives me three options, one of which is simply directly "Amazon" and comes from an unmarked building that I've happened to drive past a lot.
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