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Re: DigitalOcean is laying off staff

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

DigitalOcean hater here.

I won't counter any of the praise I'm reading; if anything this will probably validate it.

I'm on the other end of the DO equation.

My small mail server is relentlessly targeted for spam from DigitalOcean IPs - and has been for years.

In fact there are 4 networks I block (by ASN) - DO, OVH, AWS (new!) and Psychz Networks. (note: No mail from outside N.Am/EU allowed)

Forget to stop my mail server when dropping the firewall for 20 seconds? Get a ½ dozen spams from DigitalOcean IPs.

I actually like that there are hosts for dodgy services. I also get that conscientious hosts get bad customers and it takes time to overcome their bad behavior.

However from the time I 1st heard of DO until now, it's an unbroken timeline of DO being a toxic source. (note: The difficulty of reporting spammy IPs in bulk - using firewall not mail server logs - is another post)

So like a lot of orgs, DigitalOcean treats people on the inside really well. But for those of us on the receiving end of unwanted attention from DO networks, it's a rough ride.

Re: DigitalOcean is laying off staff

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Post by kilburn »

blowski wrote: post #364
xenihn wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think his point was that you're no longer creating value when your job is no longer considered valuable.

I interpreted it differently, like it was saying "some people are lazy, and you need to get rid of them". If I were one of the people who'd just been made redundant because a layer of management above me changed strategy, I'd find that comment really hurtful.

Many, many years ago I worked at a small company, mostly on a single project for a single client.

Out of the blue, one day the boss summoned me and told me I wasn't delivering enough value so I would be leaving. I knew he was lying (I had the numbers), and it still made me feel terrible.

If someone here is on a similar situation, let me tell you this: if you do your best and yet they tell you "you don't deliver enough value", it is the company's fault, not yours.

Really, just shrug it off and move on. Keep working hard and things will eventually work out.

PS: Four months later they wanted to hire me again, paying 50% more than before. I already had a better job ;)

Re: DigitalOcean is laying off staff

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Post by lonelappde »

kick wrote: post #365
AYBABTME wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a pretty blank check to write. All kind of awful, distasteful things are satisfying to some people's curiosity. Not all curiosities should be satisfied. IMO the comment I was responding to was going beyond measured, actionable feedback. It was TMI, public dirty laundry based on speculations, from an insider who goes on a limb stating guesses as truths, claiming knowledge of proprietary information. Is HN an ap…

Most curiosities should be gratified, and this isn't an unreasonable one. They're an employee concerned about their company (and arguably more important, their job security). A public forum like HN is absolutely a way to highlight workplace discrimination, which this person did in a way that doesn't publicly accuse anyone yet allows someone with power ('raiyu in this case) to know who is doing it. Also, they points o…

Spreading vague rumors of misbehavior without any evidence nor detail is not helpful to anyone.

Re: DigitalOcean is laying off staff

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Post by lonelappde »

notjustanymike wrote: post #200
raiyu wrote: post #181

Hey folks, Cofounder of DigitalOcean here. Letting people go is always a complicated matter at any scale. Whether you are a ten person company and firing one employee or you are 500 people and firing a larger number. Wanted to address a few statements from the hackernews community here. We are not prepping the company for sale. As unfortunate as the layoffs are they were really due to two CEO changes in the past 18 m…

Would you mind teaching StackExchange a thing or two about PR while you're doing a good job here?

Stack Exchange doesn't have a PR problem. They have a being a bad company problem (since Joel started handing over the company to been management).

Honesty only works when the things you are doing are good

Re: DigitalOcean is laying off staff

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Post by lonelappde »

ummonk wrote: post #345
alexitosrv wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In case someone else, like me, is wondering about what is going on with StackExchange, I think notjustanymike means this: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/342039/firing-commu...

I assumed it was a reference to the ridiculous firing of Monica Cellio. Apparently they've done more stupid stuff?

It's all part and parcel of the same clusterbomb of mismanagement by an alliance of money-obsessed business managers political extremist community managers..

Re: DigitalOcean is laying off staff

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Post by mrtweetyhack »

avip wrote: post #231
raiyu wrote: post #181

Hey folks, Cofounder of DigitalOcean here. Letting people go is always a complicated matter at any scale. Whether you are a ten person company and firing one employee or you are 500 people and firing a larger number. Wanted to address a few statements from the hackernews community here. We are not prepping the company for sale. As unfortunate as the layoffs are they were really due to two CEO changes in the past 18 m…

Confused to see CEO of a big company just says the truth in simple terms. Did you pass that through legal? :) Thanks, yours, another loyal not-customer-support-harassing 5$/m DO customer.

the truth is never the truth

Re: DigitalOcean is laying off staff

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Post by dzamo_norton »

moneywoes wrote: post #350
speedplane wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I was in a similar position not too long ago. I had nothing but a liberal arts degree, a miserable first career and a yawning resume gap. I just stumbled into coding and I was completely addicted. ... its a life changing opportunity in a field where you get to make things for a living and there's always something new to learn. Thank you thank you thank you cloud providers Programming in the 2010s and 2020s is kind…

What can I do to stay in demand in this field?

Just continue to ask yourself that question each year

Re: DigitalOcean is laying off staff

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Post by kick »

lonelappde wrote: post #383
kick wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most curiosities should be gratified, and this isn't an unreasonable one. They're an employee concerned about their company (and arguably more important, their job security). A public forum like HN is absolutely a way to highlight workplace discrimination, which this person did in a way that doesn't publicly accuse anyone yet allows someone with power ('raiyu in this case) to know who is doing it. Also, they points o…

Spreading vague rumors of misbehavior without any evidence nor detail is not helpful to anyone.

It gave enough detail so that 'raiyu will know who it is; it was very descriptive in that way.

Re: DigitalOcean is laying off staff

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Post by dzamo_norton »

HonestShark wrote: post #314
raiyu wrote: post #181

Hey folks, Cofounder of DigitalOcean here. Letting people go is always a complicated matter at any scale. Whether you are a ten person company and firing one employee or you are 500 people and firing a larger number. Wanted to address a few statements from the hackernews community here. We are not prepping the company for sale. As unfortunate as the layoffs are they were really due to two CEO changes in the past 18 m…

Moisey, big fan of yours, always have been. DO's board has been atrocious (not you and Ben). The way they handled bonuses even the years that we were growing 40+% because we missed #'s due to factors outside any employees control, was a joke. The hiring of Mark Templeton was one of the absolute worst things that could have happened, he damn near put DO on the brink of destruction. That said, it seems like Yancey is d…

This laundry bag of personal grievances could only have made sense at a coffee machine on the premises. It is worthless in a public forum.
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