Unless its open source and everyone can contribute, decentralized enough that everyone can set up their own networks, then its just another company trying to make long term investment in their company
I am not going to trust Jack, any company, on any single person on anything.
Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media
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#382Unless its open source and everyone can contribute, decentralized enough that everyone can set up their own networks, then its just another company trying to make long term investment in their company I am not going to trust Jack, any company, on any single person on anything.
Apparently they want to create a distributed ledger using something akin to a blockchain. If that is the case then they can benefit from transactions going over their network but I doubt that it will be open source. Maybe the code to operate a node will be open sourced but just that.
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#383"the value of social media is shifting away from content hosting and removal, and towards recommendation algorithms directing one’s attention" I really wish I could hack on the youtube recommendation algorithm. It seems to be tuned for zombie viewing pleasure, and totally not for finding surprising new content. Even just having several "personas" would be a big help.
I wish they would made different algo for different "categories" of people, and you could just select from a dropdown list the one that works best for you. It would be win / win imo.
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Microsoft and Gmail make a lot of money from the email protocol, despite the fact that they don't moderate it. Is this immoral?
I wouldn’t know, that question is apples and oranges different. Twitter is creating a syndicated public one-to-all feed system; Email is a syndicated private one-to-many feed system. The public/private difference cannot be discarded and makes your question unrelated to my statement. I encourage you to pursue a top-level thread about your concern instead, so that it’s not disregarded as a reply to mine.
Email lists are not private if you choose to sign up for one and post to it, the same way Twitter is not private if you choose to sign up and post to it. Email lists are very similar to Usenet which was the precursor to all these social media sites.
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People are pushing AP as a silver bullet. Look at this thread! Twitter is funding work to be done in more than an year and people are saying that should just use AP. And that analogy doesn't make any sense.
I disagree. I think most of the people in this thread are promoting Activitypub merely as a starting point. Sure, it could use some tweaks and improvements, but it's a good foundation to build on.
Your previous comment came closer to the truth: ActivityPub may work today _as a workaround_, a half-baked alternative to closed silos; but it doesn't have a solid foundation, its problems can't be solved by tweaks and improvements, and that's what every of its critics say.
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I m surprised every time i see people here asking for the evil that is censorship. Dorsey wants a decentralized system exactly because he won't be held liable for not censoring people. It makes sense business-wise and it's a win-win for humanity. Twitter has become a trigger-happy-people-fest because each group knows they can weaponize censorship against each other. With systems that are uncensored , nobody complaint…
>I m surprised every time i see people here asking for the evil that is censorship. You're posting this in a place (HN) that itself is not averse to deleting posts, shadow banning, manipulating the rank of articles, etc. Some have argued that HN is a good discussion environment precisely because of those things, though I don't necessarily agree. What I'm getting at is that you have reason to not expect sympathy for y…
On HN, everyone sees the same things - the same front page, the same comments, and so on. On sites like Twitter and Facebook, this is not the case. What's good for a site like HN isn't necessarily what's good for a site like Twitter.
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The problem is online social networks. There is no fix. Any medium supported by ads is toxic. This predates online social networks. Any news feed (recommenders) is intrinsically toxic. Such feedback loops are just outrage machines. It's highly doubtful that likes and ratings can be redeemed either. I'm fresh out of goodwill, so I don't care to try. So what's left? The graph. Maybe that could be useful. Meanwhile, it'…
Would a social network, where every post is moderated, have the same issues?
Very good question.
Moderation is the only known effective solution. Some times.
FAANGs and others abandoned human moderation because it "doesn't scale".
So what? When did we decide that scale was more important than civility?
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I also have questions.
What is the feedback loop? For every medium, every style of communication?
How do we break those loops into discrete steps? Then where can we add friction? To slow down the negative psychological and sociological pathologies.
Defuse, disable those dopamine hits we all get from these social interactions. Maybe even figure out how to make it a positive feedback loop.
Re: Twitter funding a team to develop an open standard for social media
#388They should at the very least evaluate ActivityPub. It's a W3C standard that reached "Recommended" status almost two years ago, is flexible enough for future use-cases, and already has multiple implementations like Mastodon. In fact, any app can be made to act as a source, sink or both of ActivityPub events. I recently added ActivityPub support to learnawesome.org so that reviews can be consumed in any ActivityPub cl…
I am a daily and happy user of Mastodon. I honestly see no reason to use Twitter, nor one of their products at this time. Calling it now: too little, too late.
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#389"the value of social media is shifting away from content hosting and removal, and towards recommendation algorithms directing one’s attention" I really wish I could hack on the youtube recommendation algorithm. It seems to be tuned for zombie viewing pleasure, and totally not for finding surprising new content. Even just having several "personas" would be a big help.
I wish they would made different algo for different "categories" of people, and you could just select from a dropdown list the one that works best for you. It would be win / win imo.
I’m building something like that right now.
We dint even need an open protocol for it, just a reasonable aggregator.
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#390"the value of social media is shifting away from content hosting and removal, and towards recommendation algorithms directing one’s attention" I really wish I could hack on the youtube recommendation algorithm. It seems to be tuned for zombie viewing pleasure, and totally not for finding surprising new content. Even just having several "personas" would be a big help.
Totally agree. The lack of configurability around recommendations is really frustrating. So often, the next video that plays is something tangentially related to what I'm watching, but still not what I want to watch. I'd love a feature that defaults the next video to the newest unwatched video in a given channel or something like that, but we all know why it won't be built.
I don’t see anything preventing this from being built externally other than API usage restrictions. Ways to get around those, too.