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The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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Is there a reason the FCC can't fine the telecoms for allowing the illegal calls? My guess is they'd fix the problem pretty quick.

Define "illegal call" and how you'd classify that before the call happens. You'll see why it's not done.

Yoy don't need to classify it before it happens. You classify it after it happens.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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A lot of people point out that telecom companies should do something but aren't because it's lucrative for them or too expensive to fix. Are telecom companies not realizing how much they are hurting themselves with this in the long term? People will stop using phone numbers altogether. Using the phone has become such a pain, at least in the US, that whenever I can, I used different ways of communicating. WhatsApp, iM…

They are slow to act because it is unclear whether it is justified in the law for them to block what they believe is spam or if a customer wants to receive a call. Section 202 of Telecommunications Act details that telecoms cannot discriminate connections so they have been unwilling to block spam if it can lead to breaking the law[1]. The FCC has been trying to change that by rolling out new guidance on what can defi…

They don't have to block anything. Just make sure that any caller id number is validated and registered to the company making calls. I shouldn't be receiving calls from local numbers that are actually Indian call centers threatening that the police are on their way unless I pay my IRS bill with iTunes gift cards.

Services like twilio avoid this easily by simply requiring me to purchase the callback number or at least validate that I have control of the callback number I want to use.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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I would love it if smartphones were offered with the option to opt out of a legacy phone number, and instead just a data plan. most of the calls I receive are marking or pure attempts at fraud.

You can get a data-only SIM on most carriers. It won't save you much money.

As the saying goes, it's not about the money. It's about sending a message.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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The technology is also more reliable than modern wireless I remember many times where everything else was out of service except the good old POTS line...

That's great for you in whatever treeless desert area you live in. It's not the case for many others of us and it's kinda pretentious that you know oh so much better.

I grew up in a very wooded area myself. And it was also my experience that when the electricity was out, the phone lines would still tend to work.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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"Are telecom companies not realizing how much they are hurting themselves" After seeing cable companies fail to get into the internet, I'm convinced companies try to stop progress instead of embracing it. They don't see progress as an opportunity, but rather as a threat. They don't realize how much they are hurting themselves. I read an interesting article on here about the rise of the cell phone camera, the amount o…

The go to example of this will always be Kodak. Steven Sasson invented the first digital camera (and a device to display it on) in 1975 while working at R&D at Kodak. He had a fully functional DSLR by 1989, complete with memory cards. Kodak never released his work, never manufactured that camera. They kept the patent of the work and sat on it, and when others tried to innovate and create a digital camera, Kodak sued…

> Kodak never released his work, never manufactured that camera. They kept the patent of the work and sat on it, and when others tried to innovate and create a digital camera, Kodak sued them with that patent and kept suing people right up until the patent ran out in 2007. By 2012, the company was bankrupt.

I bought a Kodak digital camera in the 90s, and other brands too, so I doubt that version of events.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

#386

A lot of people point out that telecom companies should do something but aren't because it's lucrative for them or too expensive to fix. Are telecom companies not realizing how much they are hurting themselves with this in the long term? People will stop using phone numbers altogether. Using the phone has become such a pain, at least in the US, that whenever I can, I used different ways of communicating. WhatsApp, iM…

Actually... I think you just convinced me to switch. I think I'm going to permanently enable do not disturb for anyone not on my call list.

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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The go to example of this will always be Kodak. Steven Sasson invented the first digital camera (and a device to display it on) in 1975 while working at R&D at Kodak. He had a fully functional DSLR by 1989, complete with memory cards. Kodak never released his work, never manufactured that camera. They kept the patent of the work and sat on it, and when others tried to innovate and create a digital camera, Kodak sued…

> Kodak never released his work, never manufactured that camera. They kept the patent of the work and sat on it, and when others tried to innovate and create a digital camera, Kodak sued them with that patent and kept suing people right up until the patent ran out in 2007. By 2012, the company was bankrupt. I bought a Kodak digital camera in the 90s, and other brands too, so I doubt that version of events.

did you buy a Kodak dslr, or just a digital camera? I'm guessing there's some difference?

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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post #195

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The middle (ntt, gtt, tata, etc) of the internet doesn't know what is or isn't spoofed. The folks at the edge own that responsibility and most colo/hosting shops allow their customers to spoof. Their upstreams are powerless against them since they'll take their money elsewhere.

Lol, that’s not the definition of “powerless”. There are many ISPs more than willing to reject peering with dumpsters.

Not talking about peering. Talking about transit-customer relationships. Think large hosting shops who say they can't afford to do uRPF on their customers because they've got so many multihomed users and the IP address space is fluid. Or smaller regional networks selling low cost transit. Some folks just have arbitrary limits (you must have x asns behind you for us to remove urpf)

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

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> Kodak never released his work, never manufactured that camera. They kept the patent of the work and sat on it, and when others tried to innovate and create a digital camera, Kodak sued them with that patent and kept suing people right up until the patent ran out in 2007. By 2012, the company was bankrupt. I bought a Kodak digital camera in the 90s, and other brands too, so I doubt that version of events.

did you buy a Kodak dslr, or just a digital camera? I'm guessing there's some difference?

You're right there's a difference and it wasn't a DSLR. The comment I responded to wasn't entirely clear that Kodak only blocked the development of a digital DSLR, if that's what was meant.

> when others tried to innovate and create a digital camera, Kodak sued them

Re: The FCC Has Fined Robocallers $208M, Collected $6,790

#390

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Are telecom companies not realizing how much they are hurting themselves" After seeing cable companies fail to get into the internet, I'm convinced companies try to stop progress instead of embracing it. They don't see progress as an opportunity, but rather as a threat. They don't realize how much they are hurting themselves. I read an interesting article on here about the rise of the cell phone camera, the amount o…

The go to example of this will always be Kodak. Steven Sasson invented the first digital camera (and a device to display it on) in 1975 while working at R&D at Kodak. He had a fully functional DSLR by 1989, complete with memory cards. Kodak never released his work, never manufactured that camera. They kept the patent of the work and sat on it, and when others tried to innovate and create a digital camera, Kodak sued…

>Kodak never released his work, never manufactured that camera

other than selling $20 million worth of 1991 Kodak DCS 100, and following it with many more advanced models ....

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