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U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

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Re: U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

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Really? As both a SoCal and Bay Area resident name alone would tell me absolutely nothing about whether someone was a native to either area.

Their public LinkedIn profiles say that they went to university in China. They're Chinese.

Probably true. Of course, them being Chinese has nothing to do with where the startup was founded.

Re: U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

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We've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological battle. That breaks the site rules. Regardless of what you're battling for or against, using HN this way destroys the curiosity that the site exists for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I like your approach @dang

However I'd still like to be able to view flagged messages -- maybe click to view?

More generally I'd like to be able to hear the unpopular opinions, and see them discussed constructively. Rather than them being flagged and voted off

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Re: U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

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Pretty much all hate speech is censored on social media platforms. So is calling for or promoting violence against certain groups. Harrassment is also prohibited on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. All American social media censors their users, most people just arent producing that type of content.

Yes. But GP's comment was about the US government , not restrictions placed on content by American companies voluntarily (or due to pressure from the broader US culture). I agree, of course, the US culture is restrictive in some ways, and this can come through in the practices of US companies (the culture is also quite permissive in some ways). But this is different in important ways from the restrictions being impos…

Aren't those mainly hidden behind gag orders though? Isn't that enough proof? We can't even tell what was censored presumably for our safety.

Re: U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

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It is crystal clear that TikTok is a pivot for China. I think this is the first Chinese application that beats the US (Silicon Valley) "monopoly"? It is a great business and cross cultural achievement. It seems like the Chinese could be successful in duplicating SV even in a non democratic context.

These types of applications come and go. That a Chinese company made a popular one shouldn't be shocking or indicate some major breakthrough.

Sure. And I'll remain just as guarded (nervous) by the next fad social app underwritten, coopted by a government.

Re: U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

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Their public LinkedIn profiles say that they went to university in China. They're Chinese.

Probably true. Of course, them being Chinese has nothing to do with where the startup was founded.

That's true, of course. However, every source I can find says that the company was founded in Shanghai, but ended up being more successful in the American than the Chinese market, and opened up offices in California. Most of the engineers are supposedly in Shanghai, though. One more detail is that the founders appear to have worked in Silicon Valley before founding the company.

Whether any of this makes any difference, as far as US law goes, I don't know.

1. https://www.businessinsider.de/what-is-musically-2016-5

2. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bytedance-musically/china...

3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTyg2E44pBA

Re: U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

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It is crystal clear that TikTok is a pivot for China. I think this is the first Chinese application that beats the US (Silicon Valley) "monopoly"? It is a great business and cross cultural achievement. It seems like the Chinese could be successful in duplicating SV even in a non democratic context.

These types of applications come and go. That a Chinese company made a popular one shouldn't be shocking or indicate some major breakthrough.

You can say the same of FB, Instagram, etc but coming to the "top top" is not an easy task and give you leverage for launching the next app. But you missed my other observation: it was difficult for Chinese companies to launch western attractive apps, you can take TikTok as an outlier or lucky app or you can be alert of the things that might come next.

Re: U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

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We've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological battle. That breaks the site rules. Regardless of what you're battling for or against, using HN this way destroys the curiosity that the site exists for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I like your approach @dang However I'd still like to be able to view flagged messages -- maybe click to view? More generally I'd like to be able to hear the unpopular opinions, and see them discussed constructively. Rather than them being flagged and voted off Though I agree -- remaining constructive is essential

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Re: U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

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> If Bytedance wants access to the US market with that app, If Bytedance wants access to the US market with that app, it will simply relocate servers outside of USA. That's it.

Weird that this is being downvoted. What is the US government going to do, create a China-style great firewall? Even the (right-) wingnuts would be sharpening their pitchforks.

If it was a website, maybe it can survive no matter what? But if they can get Google and Apple to take the app down in the US market, you effectively kill the app. I‘m sure some will sideload, but relatively speaking, it’ll be a small amt of people.

I haven’t checked the top sites in US list recently, but I imagine even for places that have sites on top of apps, losing App Store access will destroy a large part of the user base. Off the top of head, Google, the surviving portal sites, could survive. But even portal sites like Yahoo likely get enough traffic from apps that they’d be hit hard. Same with Reddit, Facebook, Pinterest. Maybe LinkedIn would go largely unscathed.

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> If Bytedance wants access to the US market with that app, If Bytedance wants access to the US market with that app, it will simply relocate servers outside of USA. That's it.

Weird that this is being downvoted. What is the US government going to do, create a China-style great firewall? Even the (right-) wingnuts would be sharpening their pitchforks.

> Weird that this is being downvoted. What is the US government going to do, create a China-style great firewall? Even the (right-) wingnuts would be sharpening their pitchforks.

So, if I want access to EU market I can avoid GDPR and other European regulations so long as I keep my server out of Europe?

Re: U.S. opens a national security review of TikTok’s acquisition of Musical.ly

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Musical.ly was started by entrepreneurs in Shanghai. Although it may have had US and Japanese investors, I don't think it was an American company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical.ly >"It’s the first company to be headquartered in China, designed in China, but popular in the US," said Greylock investor Josh Elman. "Finally we’re seeing talented people who live in that ecosystem in that world and actually transce…

It doesn't matter, just like china reviews acquisitions of American companies by American companies because they do business in china the US does the same.
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