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NBA's China dilemma: $4B at risk as Chinese TV cancels game broadcasts

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Post by cat199 »

kleer001 wrote: post #238
themgt wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reality is, our political and corporate elites made a deal with the devil two decades ago, because the $ to be made off-shoring manufacturing and gaining access to Chinese markets was too good to pass up. They lied to the public that China posed no economic or military threat going forward, and that our glorious free markets would inevitably lead to a bottom-up liberalization of China. Instead, we've played ourse…

20 years ago? I'd pin it on Nixon's visit in 1972, nearly 50 years ago. Without that I'd bet China would have civil warred and bootstrapped its self into Democracy.

> Without that I'd bet China would have civil warred and bootstrapped its self into Democracy.

orr.. gotten over the sino-soviet split and bolshevized europe and latin america, leaving the US without a leg to stand on geopolitically.

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Post by cat199 »

repolfx wrote: post #219
SilasX wrote: post #147

Is it just me, or are there a lot of stories now about China throwing its financial weight around to influence speech? We had the Blizzard/War of Omens thing [1], and the Houston Rockets remark being rescinded [2], and the South Park cancellation [3], and now this, all in the span of about a week. [1] https://www.cnet.com/news/blizzard-removes-blitzchung-from-h... [2] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/07/houston-rockets-g…

Also the UBS pig incident: https://fortune.com/2019/06/17/ubs-china-pig-paul-donovan/ That one wasn't even anything apparently political, just absurd snowflake-scale sensitivity on the part of a whole country: Donovan made the “Chinese pig” comment on Wednesday as he attempted to explain why the country’s swine flu outbreak shouldn’t concern investors eyeing the international inflation outlook. “Does this matter? It…

> serving the rest of the world.

what about sourcing manufacturing?

this is the crux.

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Post by xlc0212 »

angry_octet wrote: post #357
xlc0212 wrote: post #320

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I want to point it out it is not only Chinese government, but also Chinese people, the people were enjoying the NBA, are abandoning it. This actually hurts the feeling of the fans.

Only because they are brainwashed by saturation lifelong propaganda. Also hello to the MSS sockpuppet accounts joining the debate.

They maybe brainwashed, but so does a lot of other people.

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Post by shard972 »

est wrote: post #361
diveanon wrote: post #121

A presidential candidates stance on China and its abuse of human rights will be a key issue for me in 2020. What is happening to the NBA, Blizzard, and seemingly every company that has a presence in China is the tip of the iceberg. If we as a liberal free society cannot stand against the rise of oppressive totalitarianism then we are doomed to fail. Incremental profits and potential market share in a closed economy i…

> A presidential candidates stance on China and its abuse of human rights will be a key issue for me in 2020. Your presidential candidate need to fix human rights issues in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. Democracy installed by the US government gotta have a warranty and customer service. If the outcome of US installed human rights means tens of thousands of refugees and jihad fighters how can your model of human rights…

Why do they need to do any of that?

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Post by hkitdog »

silexia wrote: post #369
sverige wrote: post #299

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The evidence is that they didn't support the original tweet that caused all the ruckus, and there hasn't been a flood of tweets or other expressions of support for HK by other NBA people since the NBA made the statement.

We should boycott the NBA.

Why not boycott China and cctv?

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Post by hkitdog »

tw04 wrote: post #67
reaperducer wrote: post #26

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While I agree that the NBA has stand up and to do the right thing, I'm not sure that "incremental" is the correct description of the league's profits. I read an article very recently (NY Times, maybe?) that laid out the numbers, and the amount of money the NBA earns in China dwarfs its U.S. revenue. not like China is going to come up with their own basketball league It already has basketball leagues. And considering…

>the amount of money the NBA earns in China dwarfs its U.S. revenue. Source? >It already has basketball leagues. I guess it's a good thing I didn't say they don't. Partial quoting to try to make a point where there isn't one isn't very cool. >And considering that China has exported star players to the NBA, it's certainly a possibility. It's exported exactly one star: yao Ming, and one slightly above average player in…

Jeremy Lin is Taiwanese not Chinese.

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Post by jmpman »

silexia wrote: post #369
sverige wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The evidence is that they didn't support the original tweet that caused all the ruckus, and there hasn't been a flood of tweets or other expressions of support for HK by other NBA people since the NBA made the statement.

We should boycott the NBA.

We can do better than that. Show up at every Brooklyn Nets game, sitting behind the basket with signs which... aren’t China friendly.

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Post by on_and_off »

SilasX wrote: post #147

Is it just me, or are there a lot of stories now about China throwing its financial weight around to influence speech? We had the Blizzard/War of Omens thing [1], and the Houston Rockets remark being rescinded [2], and the South Park cancellation [3], and now this, all in the span of about a week. [1] https://www.cnet.com/news/blizzard-removes-blitzchung-from-h... [2] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/07/houston-rockets-g…

We have started talking about it but this has been going on for a while.

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Post by xdarnold »

ivankolev wrote: post #39
tw04 wrote: post #20

The NBA really needs to grow a spine on this one. They have nothing to lose but incremental profits and in the long run China will lose. It will just be one more reminder for the populace that their current government restricts them from luxuries the rest of the world gets to experience. And if that doesn't bother them, good riddance I guess, it's not like China is going to come up with their own basketball league th…

They are taking a stance: https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/08/media/nba-adam-silver/index.h...

This is nothing more than the illusion of a stance so long as the statement on Weibo stands. Publicly calling Morey's statement "inappropriate" and "disappoint[ing]" and expressing regret for it cannot be reconciled with supporting free speech.
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