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Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by topranks » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 10:10 PM UTC

jagtesh wrote: post #226

maltalex wrote: post #164

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No one is the villain here, it's not that simple. These are companies that respond to market pressures. Routing around the network operators (both figuratively and literally) makes a lot of sense for large cloud providers. Especially so if there are no network neutrality rules in place to enforce free access to consumers (as opposed to consumer ISPs demanding payment for pushing content to their subscribers). Also, t…

> Also, the content from Google, Facebook and a couple other cloud providers is what consumers actually want. What content from Google and Facebook? If you are referring to YouTube and Instagram - that's one part of the total internet content consumed. Hard to totally ignore the news sites, blogs and streaming services.

The vast majority of which are hosted in the public cloud (AWS, GCP, Azure) or behind content delivery networks like Cloudflare or Akamai.

The centralization of the internet and death of the “end to end” ethos is very real unfortunately.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by hultner » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 10:12 PM UTC

I can't find the wait list option in the app, checked App Store and I'm on the latest version. I'm using iOS 12, 1.1.1.1 user since the launch.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by topranks » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 10:12 PM UTC

adamch wrote: post #194

PaulHoule wrote: post #161

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I don't think CloudFlare is a newcomer. They're big in the CDN market.

"big in the CDN market" is very different to "has enough pull to significantly centralize the internet like Google or Amazon".

CDNs are literally the other thing (aside from Public Cloud providers) that are centralizing the internet.

You statement is the exact opposite of reality.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by AsyncAwait » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 10:12 PM UTC

y4mi wrote: post #307

sercand wrote: post #285

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I am still trying to figure it out how to setup a Wireguard server on Kubernetes/GKE to personal use. Outline and OpenVPN clients have some problems that's why I want to try Wireguard.

Is that even possible? I thought Wireguard was essentially a kernel module... Which is basically the only thing you can't dockerize, as the kernel is shared between all containers? Could be mistaken though .. not sure

Cloudflare has their own implementation that runs in userspace. [1]

1 - https://github.com/cloudflare/boringtun

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by topranks » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 10:14 PM UTC

penagwin wrote: post #144

maltalex wrote: post #121

I'd wager that the Super Secret Plan is geared towards further centralizing the Internet. Preferably on Cloud Flare's infrastructure. This is one part of a tug-of-war that's going on in recent years between Internet network operators and cloud providers, with the cloud providers slowly but surely winning. For better or worse, we are moving away from a distributed Internet composed of many autonomous networks into a f…

Here's the issue that everything fights when talking about Centralization vs Decentralization. Centralization is far easier to manage. A single entity has the ability to control all routes and all the pieces of the network. The structure can become faster, mesh-networks are notoriously slow. By using a VPN + Argo cloudflare has control over how your data is routed, and can make sure it skips slow network segments, is…

Or put another way - decentralization may be able to offer greater resilience and reachability - but it will never result in better performance or stability.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by gist » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 10:15 PM UTC

jgrahamc wrote: post #245

ksec wrote: post #241

193 Comments and No one has asked yet. How do they make money? So, the price plan and extras from Business, Professional and Enterprise CDN is enough to cover all the cost of running the network + free tier CDN + Domain Registration Operation + DNS + Free tier VPN? There is a reason why I am using Apple. Their interest is in me using iPhone or Apple devices with a very decent profits margin, and hopefully up sell me…

In the article see the section "Ok, Sure, But You’re Still a Profit-Seeking Company"

It would make sense if in reply you could summarize an answer to the question and also say 'more at OK Sure," [1] For example maybe I as a user want to know but don't feel like getting stuck reading more or distracted.

[1] Since you are all about speed!

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by topranks » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 10:19 PM UTC

ikeboy wrote: post #55

There's a lot of dissing of competition (they drain your battery, "all suck", slow down your internet) without a single datapoint. Personally I find the performance of PIA fine. I just ran a test through fast.com and got 42 mbps on 4g through PIA mobile VPN in NYC. (Weirdly, when I turn off the VPN and test I'm only getting around 2 Mbps.) Latency is a bit higher than direct, but not enough for me to agree with their…

CPU on your phone is probably gonna be the main reason VPN is slower than not using one.

But this only sends DNS over the VPN so it won’t use much power at all. 99% of your traffic does not route via the VPN with this app.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by topranks » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 10:22 PM UTC

jgrahamc wrote: post #259

dsl wrote: post #251

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That is why Cloudflare wants you to use their VPN rather than an anonymized one. If they can track you, they can have more data about whether to block you.

Nope. We want you to use our VPN because we think it'll make your mobile Internet experience better (faster and more secure). That turns into an upsell opportunity to us and makes our core service (which people pay us for) more valuable.

Why do you refer to this as a VPN?

On my phone my web traffic is being sent direct using this, looks like only DNS queries are sent over the VPN tunnel?

Is WARP+ the full VPN ?

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by AceJohnny2 » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 10:26 PM UTC

eastdakota wrote: post #344

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #299

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Overall I'd agree, though they nearly lost me at the start: > on “April Fools” a handful of elite tech companies decide to waste the time of literally billions of people with juvenile jokes that only they find funny. Bah Humbug much?

I think a lot of the backlash the tech industry is facing is due to its unwillingness to grow up. So, yes, perhaps I'm a humbug in tech circles, but it's only because I've been outside of the Silicon Valley bubble and listened to how the tech industry is perceived. It's not good. And the April Fools foolishness is a very stark illustration of that.

> I think a lot of the backlash the tech industry is facing is due to its unwillingness to grow up.

I'd say the backlash is due to unaccountability, privacy erosion, and income inequality.

April Fools gimmicks are barely a blip on the radar compared to the above. At best they provide a target to focus the above ire on, but that's confusing the issue.

Re: Warp – Mobile VPN

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Post by topranks » Mon, Apr 01, 2019, 10:26 PM UTC

dsl wrote: post #253

prdonahue wrote: post #227

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We'll be presenting the original IP. If you wish to block or otherwise take action on, e.g., malicious traffic from the IP being used to connect to Warp, you'll be able to do so.

Is this in X-Forwarded-For?

How can they do this?

Are Cloudflare going to be able to decrypt the TLS sessions running over their VPN between me and end-sites, so they can insert this additional HTTP header?

Doesn’t sound feasible.