Not happening. https://twitter.com/fxshaw/status/1063518498104664064
That it even got to this stage is disappointing at best.
Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10
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Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10
#382Earlier quoted context omitted.
Suggested apps can be turned off from the right-click context menu on one of the items: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/faq/id-3250630/turn-suggested-...
While what you say is true, the gp's point is that Windows is already pre-installing crapware. The Start Menu icons were still pre-installed, even if you can remove/uninstall them and even if the apps they represent weren't pre-installed.
I agree; my comment was not intended as a dismissal to the underlying issue.
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#383All I want is to be able to give companies my money in exchange for not being spied on, manipulated, or locked into some walled garden. I can't for my OS - I have to use free gnu/Linux because everyone else treats me like crap. Is my money not good enough for them? This is getting absurd
I used to think that being open-source was enough to avoid being spied on but it is not. Ubuntu showed this with the Amazon search issue [1] and is apparently collecting telemetry with 18.04 LTS [2]. My understanding is that Brew also gatherings telemetry by default. Enabling telemetry collection as the default setting needs to end - even if it is well intentioned. [1] https://www.networkworld.com/article/2226648/ope…
18.04 prompts you very clearly and the first report they let you see looks innocent. Is there something concretely wrong with 18.94 telemetry beyond objecting to even optional telemetry on principle?
(I agree that the Amazon search thing was bad.)
Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10
#384Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem with that is the same as every other time anybody is trying to exchange something for something else: sturgeons law. The greatest developers are not on the market and the companies worth working for don't need recruiters. Ads can be great in a (very) few areas: nobody is going to talk about a new great tampon or condom. Heck most people haven't even heard about the menstural cup, but other than things hum…
> The greatest developers are not on the market and the companies worth working for don't need recruiters. Not sure about that part...at this point most companies that are growing at a significant rate use recruiters. They may be internal recruiters (but even then they often use a minimal amount of external recruiters too). All of the companies we all know (Facebook, Google, Microsoft, whatever) use recruiters, most…
The other thing here is, of course, that these "companies we all know" are not the be all and end all for software development. There are hundreds of thousands of smaller companies the world over doing development in every field you could imagine. I know nothing about them, but some of them are very likely to be doing things I would find fascinating. There's very little to connect me with them except by chance. Even if I'm aware of the main companies in the specific field I work in, there are still far more that I'm unaware of. That's a lot of missed opportunities.
The current process is inefficient and suboptimal for all concerned. Recruiters have trouble identifying good candidates. And on the other side we have trouble identifying good companies/projects. On both sides we dumb down the skills provided/needed to bullet points of technologies and tools, often completely ignoring the actual problem domains. While I don't think the suggestion here about gleaning insights from git repositories is a solution by any means, it might make a small improvement by providing some deeper insight into real demonstrated skills and experience. As someone else mentioned, of course this could lead to gaming the system, but I suspect most fraudulent stuff could be filtered out--there would be clear differences between real projects contributed to over the course of years and "resumé fodder".
Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10
#385that's not a big deal for me, I know how Microsoft going to play ads.
I have put all the ips of ads and microsoft in hosts file. I don't see ads in skype more.
If this day would come I will dump all microsoft store app. I am using dws lite for disable all uwp grabage in my windows 10
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#386Well, there's one more reason not to use that piece of garbage. It's not like it was usable to begin with, so splattering it with ads is sort of like if a tree falls alone in the woods.
It's breathtaking how bad the Windows Store and the apps available there remain, what, four or five years now after the start of this Modern Windows/UWP push. Complete miscalculation.
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#387Earlier quoted context omitted.
> 1. I hate package managers as an application installation paradigm wat so you prefer go to vlc.com for vlc, 7-zip.com for 7-zip, update them by hand or add custom system services constantly running for every program to install themselves, etc etc instead of a `pacman -S 7z vlc krita libreoffice [every other software you need]`
Yes. I like having software that is up to date and delivered direct from the developer. I like having portable applications that don't even need installation. I like being able to put applications on different disks. I like being able to have multiple versions of an application. There is not a single package manager in existence for Linux that gives me these things.
And then how do you find the software? Google? That’s fine until the top link is a third party that adds adware to the installer.
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#388So, my uncle needs a new computer and he needs Windows 10 on it. How can I make sure that he is not being spied on and psychologically manipulated by ads right from the beginning? Is there a professional version of Windows 10 with none of those shenanigans I keep hearing about?
Does he need 10? Windows 7 still works fine, so does Elementary OS if that works.
Yes of course, otherwise I would not have asked.
Re: Microsoft Is Putting Ads on the Mail App in Windows 10
#389Earlier quoted context omitted.
I used to think that being open-source was enough to avoid being spied on but it is not. Ubuntu showed this with the Amazon search issue [1] and is apparently collecting telemetry with 18.04 LTS [2]. My understanding is that Brew also gatherings telemetry by default. Enabling telemetry collection as the default setting needs to end - even if it is well intentioned. [1] https://www.networkworld.com/article/2226648/ope…
18.04 prompts you very clearly and the first report they let you see looks innocent. Is there something concretely wrong with 18.94 telemetry beyond objecting to even optional telemetry on principle? (I agree that the Amazon search thing was bad.)
I've avoided Ubuntu since the Amazon-search issue, so I haven't tested 18.04 personally, but the second article I linked to says:
"This data collection is turned on by default"
I took this to mean that telemetry was being collected and, if someone desired, could be turned off after the fact. I have a problem with telemetry being opt-out (it should always be opt-in). If Ubuntu is prompting to allow or disallow the collection of data, then that is good news, as people are being asked for their informed consent.
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#390Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only if I insist on doing things the way UNIXs do, which is what is keeping me on Windows. If Linux had a stable and consistent base system that was comprised of the most commonly used libraries, then developers would only have to statically link or include their own copy of less common libraries. I'm totally ok with that. And let's be real for a minute, the program size hit is negligible. You can get a 1TB SSD for u…
You're wrong, tiresome and ignorant. Windows allows multiple instances of the same app to work via the WinSxS mechanism which keeps copies of basically every DLL ever installed, including system DLLs. So it is basically keeping duplicates of everything, regardless. This includes some executables as well. [1] Before WinSxS you could achieve the same effect by keeping copies of the DLL dependencies in the app directory…
> Linux gives you the same choices and a couple more options.
Only as the builder of an application. The application developers for Linux, on the whole, only ever chose option one, leaving everyone who uses their software no option that doesn't involve recompiling from source (which, as I've mentioned, is a ridiculous thing to expect people to do just to use your software).
I have several dozen applications on Windows that are not installed. Many of them aren't even designed to be portable, yet were easily made such just by extracting their files from the installer into a directory. I can put these applications on a thumb drive and take them to an entirely different Windows system and run them without installing them their either. These directories are exactly as they'd exist in C:\Program Files.
This is of course because they have copies of their dependent DLLs in their install directory, but only the ones that aren't part of the Windows distribution. Let's look at one: WinDirStat. It is 2.1MB total, 856KB for the executables, 844KB for dlls, and the rest is assets, docs, and configuration. This is a GUI application, but you'll notice it doesn't have to include a toolkit because it uses the one that comes with every Windows install. The DLLs, as far as I can tell, are unique to WinDirStat, so it wouldn't be unfair to say that this application actually doesn't have any dependencies other than the base OS.
That's what Linux can't get you. There is no base OS above syscalls. You can't depend on anything being there because there are hundreds of distributions and what's available to link with changes with configuration, distribution, and often version.
If I could, I'd have all my Linux applications as AppImages which follows pretty much the same model as portable applications do on Windows. As I said though, Linux developers rarely offer that as an option.