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I read it. Couldn't find mention of advertisement or solicitation for jobs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
That's a summary wiki article, more detail here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disparate_impact also: https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/09/18/technology/ap-us... >Targeting job ads by gender is illegal under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
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There's no mention of protected class in Title VII. Or the entire Civil Rights Act of 1964 [0]. Try again. [0] https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=97&page=...
Protected Class: The groups protected from the employment discrimination by law. These groups include men and women on the basis of sex; any group which shares a common race, religion, color, or national origin; people over 40; and people with physical or mental handicaps. Every U.S. citizen is a member of some protected class, and is entitled to the benefits of EEO law. However, the EEO laws were passed to correct a…
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"should"? Men and women have different strengths on average , not on an individual level, so your conclusion that some things should be done by men only is unsound.
To be frank, if I walk into a men's bathroom and there is a woman in there cleaning I am going to be pissed off and feel like my privacy and decency has been violated. So yes, as a quick example I feel very justified in saying that men's bathrooms should ONLY be cleaned by men. There are lots of examples like this but I am too busy to outline each one. Women should NOT be encouraged to think that they are equal to me…
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I'm pretty sure I've seen adverts asking for women (but not the contrary); can you cite the legislation (at UK level is fine). rant incoming: Indeed in my small niche the almost exclusively female company owners, who always address group messages to "ladies", when enquiring about taking on employees always say "I'm thinking of taking on a girl, where should I advertise" or similar. Weekend help is "a Saturday girl".…
I can't speak for the UK but in Belgium it's certainly illegal to discriminate based on gender, age, race, .... There was even a case recently where a man won a lawsuit because he was excluded by a clothing store that was searching for a female employee for doing an inventory job. "Brussels, 23 August 2018 - The legal action taken by the Institute for Equality of Women and Men reminds employers that sex is not a crit…
There are exceptions like modelling or acting where roles where there could be reasonable reasons for being gender-specific but not for the tech and public sector jobs described in the article.
Given the way issues like this overlap with the European Convention on Human Rights I would expect it to be very similar across Europe (certainly within the EU).
This is a situation where you must ask yourself the very difficult question of what is more important, individual freedom or equality? I think it goes beyond egalitarianism, because I certainly think any female who wants to become a highly-paid programmer should be able to do so simply by building merit, without any additional barriers. I also think that any person, male or female, has the right to decide what demogr…
Yes, it surely is a situation where this question should be asked, however the question has been asked and "we the people" have decided (and written into law) that in this type of scenarios equality overrides individual freedom. In particular, it's been decided that in many cases (IIRC it starts to apply if the company has more than 15 employees) any person, male or female, does not have the right to decide what demo…
It isn't really fair to compare this to that. One is a clear case of one's freedom interfering on the freedom or safety of another.
I don't think this situation is nearly that black and white.
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I was speaking more about the industry as a whole originally. Facebook knows what you report as your gender but that's not a very good attribute to target off of. If I were doing e-commerce, for example, I would never use Facebook's implementation of that target (if they're going based off of what's reported to Facebook) because it would completely exclude gift purchases across genders. It would leave a ton of money…
We are very specifically on a topic about what facebook does, and what I was originally replying to you about was that I think your general findings are not particularly relevant when looking at facebook. You said this story is totally overblown because gender targeting isn't normally very accurate, but here it absolutely will be because a large number of people will accurately set this value on their own profile. >…
Hypothetical me: An HR staffer at a company with a headcount large enough to need an HR department. I get to post job listings and spend advertising dollars for those listings on Facebook.
Hypothetical my manager: Female. As ~75% of HR managers _globally_ are.
Oh yeah, hypothetical me again: Also female; depending on country and department rank, your HR staffer is 70-90% likely to be female. (It's the outlier, but in your country, new HR hires are 96% women)
The argument: Hypothetical me is going to buy ads, that my manager and probably my mostly-female coworkers can see, where I checked a box that says "only show this job listing to men". In an overwhelming social climate pushing for inclusivity and equal pay. In a work culture where these efforts are being _led_ by HR departments.
On what planet do think that this actually occurs? It is almost guaranteed that _at least_ one woman is involved in the decision making process or can audit it. Where are these companies with entirely sexist hiring processes that have significant advertising dollars to spend and where those dollars spent are going to make a significant impact in whether a man gets that job over a women in that industry and at that company?
I'll wait.
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The law says that it is "sexist" (i.e. discrimination) to target advertising in a way that denies qualified women the opportunity to apply for a particular job. In the end the net result of targeting only men is the same as refusing to hire women, it denies otherwise qualified women opportunities that they are deserving of. That this has a cost is understood by those who wrote the law, they decided those costs are wo…
Which law specifically states what you say? It's one thing to target a gender in your advertisement. It's another to deny someone a job based on their gender.
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If it's sexist(Wikipedia definition, yeah... I looked it up) then it's unethical, and if it's unethical I'd assume that's because of the sexism. Is it unethical and sexist? If it is, being overtly sexist/racist/classist and supporting it with data seems worse to me that just the former. Even it it is, it should surely not be outlawed.
Sexism isn't automatically unethical. There's also more than one ethical framework. For example, buying different scented shower gel based on the sex of the recipient.
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So if I were to say, "Hey guys, you can get two ounces of pure, uncut cocaine right here, right now... Just send me cash via PayPal and I'll post it to you today!" and no HN moderator removes this comment, then I have posted an unlawful advertisement on HN. By your standing, the operators are now violating the law as soon as a moderator glances across this shitpost, and would require punishment. While that's clearly…
If you said "Hey guys & gals" it would be okay.
Does this mean that any company that targets an ad to men / women only on social media platforms can be sued for discrimination?
No, this is specific to employment law. You can advertise products or services to whomever you wish. Employment must have equal opportunity.