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It does require that one open a port in their firewall for it to actually work. xdcc bots usually would indicate which port one needed to open.
Having open ports directly to the internet (by default) with dial up modems (before routers and NAT) used to be such a common practice. Things have changed, haven't they?
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> Additionally not being able to share images as a feature? I guess everyone will do the three step upload to imgur first. Maybe I'm missing the point here: But IRC does have a file transfer feature, so what would stop people from sharing images just the same way like plenty of "content" has been shared over IRC?
Have you ever tried it? 90% of the time I tried it didn't work, in mirc or irssi.
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Irc with proper roaming support and push notifications would blow discord or slack out of the water. Newer is not necessarily better.
Aka a bouncer?
"this service is only usable on your phone if you also sign up for another service" pretty much makes it a non-starter.
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> Server-wise you want either > You need to set up > clients for iOS too [nope, no clients beyond the very basic abandoned ones — dmitriid] So.... Why would I want any of that? To feel "not-normal" "above average", as this entire thread seems to imply? > stolen misused yada yada Let's leave these scary strories to the kids, shall we? We're supposed to be all grown ups here.
I don't understand why you pretend to be obtuse but it's clear you've already made your mind why.
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You only sense the contradiction because you share a common HN delusion: that you are above average unique non-normal tech bro über man. This delusion is what stops such people from understanding why Slack/Viber/WhatsApp/iMessage/WeChat etc. won and XMPP and IRC lost.
What perplexes me is that there are now even more competing messaging services than ever before. This suggests to me that none have won.
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I used command line IRC clients in the 1990s. I wrote IRC clients in the 1990s. I'm not interested in going back to IRC, an "open" 7-bit effectively-centralized protocol with line-length limits and lowest-common-denominator clients that can't even show an image. I don't use Mutt to get access to my email, anymore, either. I guess that makes me "average". IRC, FTP, and, yes, SMTP are all bad protocols from the 1980s e…
I don't think people want IRC for the lack of functionality. I think they miss IRC because they see in Slack a real threat to decentralization, privacy and openness. I don't use IRC. But I'd never use Slack either in a project I maintain/lead. We need a better alternative.
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> first class support for emoji I'm sorry. Even in 2018 I cannot take seriously any claim that "support for emoji" is being used to make business case decisions.
I watched as a Lack of emoji support took down a critical production database for over 100 non-profit organizations in 2015 and made ripples across the charitable giving sector. All because someone included a smiley emoji while making a donation to a local community foundation. Lessons were learned because of poor planning admittedly but if you don't take emoji support seriously it's probably because you haven't suff…
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IRC always felt to me more like a public forum, whereas IM was private conversation.
The best private conversations start by branching away from a public space. It's that juxtaposition that makes each half all the more special (think noisy club/bar vs outside). I think the biggest failing of IM is that it's easy to end up with a declining circle of people whom you communicate with. Without a public space to replenish ideas from, privacy becomes a curse. IRC allows both.
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How could any of this kill IRC? It's an open standard.
RSS is an open standard too, but Google effectively killed it.
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Text has a lot of advantages - I know as I had to debug OSI binary protocols - You had to dump it out to a textual representation. unless you had spent years and could read the protocol in its binary form
That’s - one advantage, not “a lot” - very slight, because the tool to convert to and from text gets made - vastly outweighed by the disadvantages