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Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking

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Is it possible to delete my facebook account without consenting to usage of my data? So can I access the delete page without consent?

You can try: https://www.facebook.com/help/delete_account

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Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking

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Then you’d be permitted to do so. Facebook Messenger’s chat with your friends service does not depend on tracking, for example, so this argument doesn’t apply to Facebook.

What do you mean by "does not depend on tracking"? Do you mean that you can conceive of a way to implement the service as it appears to the user, without tracking? Because Facebook can certainly inject tracking into their chat app. Given Facebook, I assume it's already the case that if I type "let's get married" and then erase those words and never send them, that Facebook's going to start showing me advertisements f…

Tracking is not required to deliver a text message between two contacts who approved each other.

Facebook might declare otherwise, but since SMS and IRC both stand as counterexamples of successful text chat services that do not inherently depend on tracking, they would likely lose their case.

Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking

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I agree that people can have different views on these things for various reasons. But I don't see how "FB's behaviors are not necessarily objectively bad", unless one considers only the profit motive as prime without giving any thought to other factors. Can you expand on that?

Well, for one thing, nothing is objectively good or bad. Value judgments come from people, and people have widely varying perspectives. For another, the reason there's no mass exodus from Facebook is that Facebook users do not perceive the company as harming them. They perceive it as a useful service for staying in touch with friends and family. The utility it provides outweighs privacy concerns, because most people…

It is about taking responsibility. That it not hurt right now does not absolve us from that.

As an example, look into how Nazi Germany and the GDR used collected data. That is the reason why Germany has very strict privacy laws nowadays. But people like to forget about this by now...

Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking

#384

Is it possible to delete my facebook account without consenting to usage of my data? So can I access the delete page without consent?

You can try: https://www.facebook.com/help/delete_account

mi id delete

Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking

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The GDPR effectively outlaws certain business models. "You pay with your data" is one of them.

No, that business model is still perfectly valid, but the users have to give their unequivocal consent for the business to do this, and the user have to give it freely , ie. you cannot say "you have to opt in to giving us all of your personal data, before you are allowed to use Facebook."

> you have to opt in to giving us all of your personal data, before you are allowed to use Facebook.

Isn't that "you pay with your data"?

Or do you mean it would allow things like "$5/month, or free if you consent"?

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