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Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Re: Ex-Google recruiter: I was fired because I resisted “illegal” diversity efforts

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Post by acdha »

viridian wrote: post #355
acdha wrote: post #106

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There are many people who’ve read it and reached the same conclusion about his claims. Simply accusing people of not having read it – or the other standard talking point of claiming that the citations somehow completely change the meaning – is a dishonest way to avoid engaging with those criticisms. If they’re wrong, it should be easy to demonstrate that or find a statement by Damore that he didn’t intend his words t…

Sure thing. He says as such during his interview with Joe Rogan. If your claim is that he intends to present the idea that women are inferior in this field, that interview contradicts it.

Right, so that would be the thing to talk about rather falsely accusing people of not reading his original memo — it was certainly sloppy enough to be possible that the way many people read it was not how he originally intended.

If he's made direct statements rejecting biological determinism it should be easy enough to cite them — and it'd be useful to do so to avoid distraction when his supporters try to rehash the arguments in favor of that position.

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Post by grzm »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #371
to3m wrote: post #367

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I expect the moderators, or whoever it is that looks after this stuff, decided that since it was discussing the same case as the other articles then it counted as one in principle. Sometimes multiple articles relating to a particular issue are posted. When these links don't attract much discussion, this isn't much of a problem. But when they do, it's probably best to try to centralize the discussion, lest the entire…

Those articles were all flagged off the front page, not many people got the chance to see them in the first place. Whoever claimed this was a dupe was just being dishonest and possibly malicious.

I understand your point that if a submission hasn't been widely seen subsequent submissions shouldn't be marked as a dupe. That said, HN is curated, both by the mods and members. It's not purely a popularity contest or a democracy. Members may (and do) disagree on the curation methods, but the curation methods don't require a certain threshold of visibility for any given piece before taking effect.

Marking a submission as a dupe serves a different purpose: it provides a pointer to the "canonical" submission for a given discussion, and not just for those that have spent some threshold of time on the front page.

You may very well disagree with the effects of HN curation in general or for this submission in particular; however, I think it's valuable to recognize that marking submissions as dupes and flagging/downweighting are independent.

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Post by commandlinefan »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #352
commandlinefan wrote: post #331

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When I searched "google", this story didn't even show up in the first page of "popular". I had to sort by date to even find it.

https://news.google.com/news/search/section/q/google/google?... First story, at least in my feed. It has made most of the news sites, since the story keeps getting flagged off the front page, expect more submissions of the same topic because people aren't aware of existing discussions. Marking a submission as a dupe of a previous post that was flagged away is just wrong.

I meant searching hacker news: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=google&sort=byPopularity&prefi...

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Post by heisnotanalien »

mlevental wrote: post #359
sol_remmy wrote: post #311

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> White high school dropouts are wealthier than Hispanic college graduates. What I'm seeing is "people who have lived in America for a long time (European heritage) are on average wealthier than people who arrived fairly recently from third world countries (Hispanic heritage). Why is that surprising? Why is that a problem?

the article says absolutely nothing about immigration or third world countries. whether the paper controls for generational wealth i don't know. >Why is that surprising? ...it's not to me since i understand we live in a structurally racist society >Why is that a problem? ...the op asks about "privilege" not whether it's problematic. inherited wealth is most certainly privilege. i was only addressing that. there are m…

So people work hard all their life for their wealth (maybe they earned a lot or maybe they were just frugal) and smart people think it is okay for the state to take 100% of it away? And you think that's okay? I just can't get my head around how anyone can think that's moral at all.

Oh yes, I see this is teh same Guardian writer that was defending Stalin so no surprises really.

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Post by gaius »

Clanan wrote: post #213
colmvp wrote: post #126

I have to say, as an Asian male I found this comment by dirtyid in the article to be succinct and all too true: > "Pour one out for Asian males. Get screwed by affirmative action in education, media representation and now employment but can't get screwed on dating apps." Asian men constantly get grouped as a single entity when it comes to tech and aren't considered an added element of diverseness within the industry…

As a white Irish guy from New Mexico, this attitude irks me as well. No, I'm not the same as every other white guy out there. (I have far more interesting "gringo" stories than a white guy from Connecticut.) No one should be judged or labeled by their skin color or ethnicity.

As a white Irish guy from New Mexico

But see https://nypost.com/2017/11/17/apples-diversity-chief-lasts-j...

No one should be judged or labeled by their skin color or ethnicity

Agreed, and that includes “all X are the same”.

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Post by Parcissons »

chapill wrote: post #112
izacus wrote: post #100

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These kind of posts (and the amount of anti-Google articles here) make me think that Google is currently targeted by paid trolling/smear campaign.

Account created: 2011. You're suggesting someone was planning to smear Google on HN since 7 years ago?

And thus a new type of conspiracy was created. The coniseur conspiracy- only imagining enemys - when they are classy and willing to put in the effort, deep schmin.. with a small taste of oak barrel.

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Post by mlevental »

heisnotanalien wrote: post #384
mlevental wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the article says absolutely nothing about immigration or third world countries. whether the paper controls for generational wealth i don't know. >Why is that surprising? ...it's not to me since i understand we live in a structurally racist society >Why is that a problem? ...the op asks about "privilege" not whether it's problematic. inherited wealth is most certainly privilege. i was only addressing that. there are m…

So people work hard all their life for their wealth (maybe they earned a lot or maybe they were just frugal) and smart people think it is okay for the state to take 100% of it away? And you think that's okay? I just can't get my head around how anyone can think that's moral at all. Oh yes, I see this is teh same Guardian writer that was defending Stalin so no surprises really.

>I just can't get my head around how anyone can think that's moral at all.

it's not rocket science: fair is value-system and ethics dependent. yes in a certain value-system and ethics it is not fair to give people advantages they didn't themselves earn. whether it's the right ethics/value-systems is up to you as an individual and us as a society to decide.

really obvious example: weight classes in combat sports.

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Post by root_axis »

throwaway1584 wrote: post #301
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #269

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This one has been flagged out also. It’s beginning to look like HN really doesn’t like this story, since it’s the third time in the last 24 hours they’ve blown it off the front page.

Personally I wanted to discuss the article yesterday, but it was moved off the front-page too fast despite high interest. It is very common on HN for articles that does not agree with or points out problems in the prevailing viewpoint to be blown off the front page. I think this is emblematic of how tyrannical some of the people subscribing to the prevailing Silicon Valley viewpoint are.

> I think this is emblematic of how tyrannical some of the people subscribing to the prevailing Silicon Valley viewpoint are.

Why invoke the "tyrannical" rhetoric in respect to clicking a "flag" link on a website? It's not that big of a deal. Not everything is an attack by the Silicon Valley elite, all sorts of interesting topics get booted off the front page and there is always someone with a particularly strong opinion in the comments who has to exclaim why their personal issue is the bane of the HN hivemind (a hivemind that underpins a decentralized conspiracy to destroy free speech in order to avoid confronting the unavoidable conclusions of your air-tight argument). Sometimes stuff just gets flagged, it happens on both sides of every controversial topic ranging from blockchains to booth babes.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

grzm wrote: post #382
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those articles were all flagged off the front page, not many people got the chance to see them in the first place. Whoever claimed this was a dupe was just being dishonest and possibly malicious.

I understand your point that if a submission hasn't been widely seen subsequent submissions shouldn't be marked as a dupe. That said, HN is curated, both by the mods and members. It's not purely a popularity contest or a democracy. Members may (and do) disagree on the curation methods, but the curation methods don't require a certain threshold of visibility for any given piece before taking effect. Marking a submissi…

Marking of a submission as a dupe that was previously itself flagged off the front page is patently dishonest. Of course, HN is curated, its members can curate however they want, for whatever reasons they want, and those reasons are not always going to be good ones, which in this case they obviously aren't.

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Post by dragonwriter »

throwaway1584 wrote: post #301
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This one has been flagged out also. It’s beginning to look like HN really doesn’t like this story, since it’s the third time in the last 24 hours they’ve blown it off the front page.

Personally I wanted to discuss the article yesterday, but it was moved off the front-page too fast despite high interest. It is very common on HN for articles that does not agree with or points out problems in the prevailing viewpoint to be blown off the front page. I think this is emblematic of how tyrannical some of the people subscribing to the prevailing Silicon Valley viewpoint are.

> Personally I wanted to discuss the article yesterday, but it was moved off the front-page too fast despite high interest.

You can discuss things that aren't on the front page. You aren't entitled to have what you want to discuss features on the front page, OTOH.

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