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Ending Bitcoin Support

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Re: Ending Bitcoin Support

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Not only they will stand a chance, they will grow substantially as the only way to mitigate the governments efforts to enforce surveillance and regulations. Darknet exchanges will emerge if not there yet. People have been dreaming of real electronic cash nobody can know you have or give to somebody for so long and wont give up easily. By the way this can even happen to be the way to the new kind of economy that relie…

How does money get in or out of such a system. If you're cut off from all sources of fiat what's the point?

It can grow value of its own as the ecosystem grows and a black market can emerge for the needs of conversion.

Re: Ending Bitcoin Support

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For what it's worth, we just spent two weeks trying and failing to get Stripe's Bitcoin integration working on our site. The short version is that Stripe guaranteed a USD BTC exchange rate for an hour, after which they would automatically cancel the transaction. Given that most transactions now take well over an hour to be verified on the blockchain, that means basically every transaction fails.

I honestly don't know what use-case remains for Bitcoin. If you have large value transactions you'd probably choose something with privacy like Monero, and if you want something cheap and fast, maybe Bitcoin Cash. In both use-cases, you have a few competing alternatives. In no circumstance is Bitcoin preferable to one of the mature alternatives. ...and if no one is using it as a transaction medium, then acting as a s…

I think Bitcoin is the AOL of blockchain technology.

It was a first mover, it had huge uptake and valuation, but in a few years (or perhaps already) someone is going to build a protocol that is capable of hundreds of thousands of secure transactions a second, and it will make Bitcoin look archaic.

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Bitcoin is definitely acting more like an asset than a medium of exchange, and yeah, I don't see why it would hold any value if it's treated like an asset. But as soon as people realize that then it should go back to being a medium of exchange and then it'll hold value again as an asset? Either way, just because Bitcoin isn't functioning correctly doesn't mean that all cryptocurrencies are not. But I guess at the mom…

> Bitcoin isn't functioning correctly Please unpack this statement. Which part of the Bitcoin system is functioning incorrectly?

One of my recent Bitcoin transactions took three weeks. That's not good.

Re: Ending Bitcoin Support

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Another day, another HN title changed without any clear rationale. Was the original "Stripe ends Bitcoin support" really so bad that it had to be changed to "Ending Bitcoin Support"?

They have a policy of _always_ changing it to match the title of the linked article. Most of the time this is either an improvement or (as in this case) neutral. I do wish they'd allow a little more editorializing, quite frankly. The linked title is not _always_ an improvement.

Agreed; this would be far more useful having "Stripe" in the title as I had to click through to see who was ending to and couldn't just grok it.

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IOTA can actually handle great TPS unlike bitcoin. BTC is maybe 10TPS cap while IOTA is pushing towards 2k TPS which is what Visa can do.

The Visa argument has always been silly. Visa has an average transaction rate of 2000/s, and can support ~50,000/s. They support 25x the overhead of their actual rate.

If Visa needed to support 1,000,000 tps, they would do it. That tech is much easier to develop centrally than in a blockchain-distributed network. They just don't have any reason to do it because they match the scale they care about already.

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Not only they will stand a chance, they will grow substantially as the only way to mitigate the governments efforts to enforce surveillance and regulations. Darknet exchanges will emerge if not there yet. People have been dreaming of real electronic cash nobody can know you have or give to somebody for so long and wont give up easily. By the way this can even happen to be the way to the new kind of economy that relie…

How does money get in or out of such a system. If you're cut off from all sources of fiat what's the point?

The point is that people can still use it for things, and the various dark net markets that exist prove that there's at least some kind of use for unofficial (pseudo?)-anonymous currency.

Though, by no means are darknets the only way of getting some use out of unofficial currencies. There will always be desire and utility for such systems.

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But (correct me if I'm wrong) payment channels are connected to particular sets of recipients, but not necessarily any and all recipients. Your money is locked into that channel until you close it. You might need to open a different channel to reach your actual recipient.

No, you are missing the "network" part of "Lightning Network" it uses an onion-routing-like protocol to allow you to pay "through" other people. So if I have a channel with you, and you have one with coinbase, I can buy bitcoin from coinbase through you without ever opening another channel, entirely counterparty-risk-free. And in that scenario if you "refuse" to relay my transaction, or you try to do something sneeky…

Easy peasy! Seriously, I've been skeptical of LN's success for its complexity. But reading your and others' comments here I can see that many people understand it clearly. It turns out I've been biased by my own ignorance. The more I learn about LN, the more hopeful I'm becoming. Thanks for helping.

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Not only they will stand a chance, they will grow substantially as the only way to mitigate the governments efforts to enforce surveillance and regulations. Darknet exchanges will emerge if not there yet. People have been dreaming of real electronic cash nobody can know you have or give to somebody for so long and wont give up easily. By the way this can even happen to be the way to the new kind of economy that relie…

> they will grow substantially as the only way to mitigate the governments efforts to enforce surveillance and regulations Cash comes with substantial privacy benefits. It's also inconvenient. TL; DR Most people trade privacy for convenience.

What makes you sure convenience will not improve?

Re: Ending Bitcoin Support

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Stripe’s entire business is built on credit card transactions. They added half assed bitcoin support and then killed it. This makes sense for a company that has every incentive to prolong a move away from credit cards. As soon as we switch to a decentralized “currency” stripes business will begin its decline.

Bitcoin transactions take hours to confirm now, making Bitcoin useless as a transactional medium. When people are paying 25%, 50%, and more to send Bitcoin of typical levels of purchase, it's time to get out. Stripe is honestly a bit late in dropping Bitcoin for transactions.

I sent ~$5k in btc last night for a $3 fee and it confirmed in around 30 minutes..

Re: Ending Bitcoin Support

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> Given that bitcoin isn't a medium of transaction anymore and a store of value this makes a lot of sense. Can someone bother explaining what this actually means? 3 weeks ago everyone is hype about how Bitcoin is going to be the future of currency and now that it's tanking and vendors are dropping it like a hot potato, its no longer a transactional currency and it's now a "store of value".

Currently Bitcoin transactions are very expensive (~$10-$20) and painfully slow taking hours to propagate. There are many more cryptocurrencies that are faster/cheaper such as Litecoin and even ETH (even though it's no _really_ supposed to act like a currency). Also there are some really cool platforms coming out such as REQ and Stellar which will arguably serve as better mediums of payment. The hype in crypto has co…

It's 5 bucks not ~10-20. Stop using "Currently" if you don't know what you're talking about.
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