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Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by lovich »

mmirate wrote: post #343
lovich wrote: post #286

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The team based compensation is interesting but I don't think any company other than some startups would go for it. The main reason would be falling afoul of discrimination laws. The teams would be highly incentivized to exclude people that they thought would be less productive, say a pregnant woman who the team thought would be out for a long period, but the government will be holding the company accountable and not…

Isn't this problem theoretically also suffered by e.g. ~5-person contract/consulting shops?

It is and in my experience small consulting shops are a lot more open to folding if something goes bad and reopening as a different entity or with a slightly different group of people. Any larger firm or group that's in it for the Long haul doesn't have that option.

The more I think about it the more it seems like small consulting shops basically are team based comoensation, but it still ends up with 1-2 people deciding who gets paid what more often than not

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by emmelaich »

madeofpalk wrote: post #323
pavement wrote: post #200

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Fewer Gif's, fewer emojis — they can be funny and endearing in the right context, but just feel forced and obtuse in a work setting. The difference in context is mostly related to the reality that all the best humor is NSFW, whether it's a GIF, an image macro, or any other meme-related content. The emotional responses being grasped at by most workplace humor is contaminated by power differential, and practical need f…

Work somewhere more fun.

It really is a valid point. Humour can easily be overdone.

Microsoft's Guide to Humor https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/education/training-and-event...

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by spittet »

protomikron wrote: post #358
pavel_lishin wrote: post #231

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> None of the features you mention are useful for actually communicating and getting work done. I respectfully disagree. It's incredibly helpful to be able to video/voice call a coworker instead of typing back and forth. It's also incredibly helpful to be able to quickly past a screenshot of an issue you're seeing, or to paste a quick snippet of code, or log, with nice formatting. Yes, I could use my phone or another…

> It's incredibly helpful to be able to video/voice call a coworker [...] In my experience it is pretty rare in software development to have the need for a voice/video call. There are use-cases but they are rare and better handled by a specific software. > It's also incredibly helpful to be able to quickly past a screenshot of an issue you're seeing [...] And also painful. Sometimes I get screenshots from terminal sc…

For developers that might be true that voice/video call is not happening often but I don't think that other business functions would share the same perspective. The ability to call, video conference and easily share images and docs is an important need for collaboration in Design, Marketing, Product Management and as a PM I often had to share screenshots back with engineers to illustrate what I'm talking about. Then, from my experience large orgs do not want to have multiple chat systems that compete with each other internally, so they'll take the one that offer more versatility while being also easy to use.

Disclaimer: I'm an ex-Atlassian (Product Manager) and my feedback is genuine, coming from experience. I'm also super happy to see my ex-co-workers getting Stride out but my opinion is not a Marketing plot. Software now requires the collaboration of many different roles, many of them who would prefer Slack/Stride over IRC.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by zoom6628 »

Now a new tool with which you can fill the remaining % of your day which isnt in some "social" sphere already. Im glad there is competition for Slack, just as glad that this is coming from a ISV of developer tools so maybe it will be something that is slanted in favor of things that developers, product managers(me) and delivery teams need such as answers get tagged and go to knowledge base, can send check in/out commands for bots to use, etc without having to make the bot ourselves.

On the usage of chat Im lucky that 2500 of my colleagues are not in the same timezone, and the ones that are, are already too busy to spend time talking about it. So i dont have a constant torrent of activity to respond to. Internally we use Yammer, and like email, it allows me to attend to it and get involved at the time and duration of my choosing. Bottom line how such systems get used is a matter of your preferred work style, corporate culture, and market needs.

And you have commend Atlassian for coming up with a name that is indicative (to me anyway) of impact the product should have. "Stride" suggest big steps, not baby steps. Its walking with purpose, cadence, and at speed. Their other product "hipster" suggests completely the obvious i.e. react viscerally ('quantitative gut feel'), follow trends ('follow the crowd not your own intelligence'), bleeding edge, oh....and you may need to grow a beard and use a satchel and rider a fixie in order to use it properly.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by CaptSpify »

breakingcups wrote: post #63
lin_lin wrote: post #4

From the makers of Jira and Confluence... no thanks.

Could you at least add what your criticism on those two products is? Jira and Confluence get a lot of hate, but I feel like that's mostly because of how it's set up by organizations. At my organization we've set up Jira (and later Confluence) in a very developer-centric way, by looking at the best way it could help the developer first, project manager second. This has led to universal adoption and no complaints or il…

Not who you are replying to but...

I feel like Jira is trying to be too many things, instead of focusing on one goal, which leads to the bad setups that you mentioned. Though I agree that at the end of the day, it seems more like the org's fault, rather than Atlassian's.

Confluence feels amateurish: email notifications never work right, and the search is a joke. The buttons are unintuitive, and the overall organization of pages is a mess.

Debugging either of them when they crash all the time is a pain. Upgrades never go smoothly, and Atlassian can't even read their own core-dumps.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by bostand »

x0x0 wrote: post #275
BackendAndBBQ wrote: post #154

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> Knowing you are abandoning the terrible HipChat for an entirely new product, with no migration path AFAIK, they offer migration from Hipchat to Stride https://confluence.atlassian.com/stride-documentation/upgrad... > We'll move all of your teammates, rooms, files, custom emoticons, and message history over to Stride for you so your team won't miss a beat.

The question is why one would trust Atlassian to make decent software this time when hipchat is such a POS. On a former team we were forced to use hipchat and their android client just nuked my battery. It was like night and day; remove the app and my battery lasts 24-30h; with it hipchat installed it would last 10 hours. This was a stock Nexus device btw.

My solution to this is to not use my phone for this stuff.

I only log into the site from a desktop browser. No point reading messages when I'm AFK anyway.

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Post by sjellis »

gxs wrote: post #188
erikb wrote: post #48

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A common discussion I have with other developers. For a developer I'd say I'm a little more people minded than average, and a lot more big picture success oriented. And in both regards your personal productivity doesn't really matter. The biggest problem in software development is actually not per-coder-performance but that the right things get solved, and that the solution are actually good and quickly finished. Thi…

As a product manager for one of the big tech companies in the bay area, I agree. Most problems that we solve on a daily basis aren't cutting edge, they are complicated business logic or customer facing UI that needs to be tested more than anything else. Communicating requirements and vision at this point become more important than having your "rockstar" engineers outshine everyone else. That said, one thing I've lear…

"That said, one thing I've learned is that you can't please developers.

The same people on this forum that are deriding "personal communication" in favor of more formal communication are the same ones that complain about project managers and "unnecessary" status updates and communication."

I agree with all of your points, except this one. My own view is that managing a technical team is just extremely demanding, and many managers simply aren't up to it. Developers are educated, intelligent professionals who spend a lot of time thinking and talking about a range of specialized technical stuff. If managers can't keep up with their team on their own resources, they end up asking for more of the team attention to compensate. And from the point of the view of developers, that is unecessary communication that they don't get value from.

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Post by hdhzy »

vesak wrote: post #54
morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

> Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm looking forward to Matrix eating all of their lunches. There absolutely no reason to have competing standards in this space. A horrible duplication of effort.

> I'm looking forward to Matrix eating all of their lunches. There absolutely no reason to have competing standards in this space. A horrible duplication of effort.

That's exactly what any other protocol evangelist would say, be it IRC, XMPP...

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by ec109685 »

nerpderp83 wrote: post #262
erikb wrote: post #48

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A common discussion I have with other developers. For a developer I'd say I'm a little more people minded than average, and a lot more big picture success oriented. And in both regards your personal productivity doesn't really matter. The biggest problem in software development is actually not per-coder-performance but that the right things get solved, and that the solution are actually good and quickly finished. Thi…

Chat breaks the flow, flow is necessary for cohesive elegant solutions. If we develop under a state of distraction, we end up making bulldozer-code. Furthermore, chat is not high quality communication. It is mostly junk comms. If we wanted to encourage communication that moved the organization forward, we would have a structured medium that would automatically populate a knowledgebase. Chat is not that medium. Chat i…

Look at Chat when you have a free moment. Leave the app icon badge on but turn off intrusive pop-up notifications. Problem solved.
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