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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by graycat »

RandVal30142 wrote: post #365
graycat wrote: post #325

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He's trying to calm people down and save lives. The newsies want to have Trump provoke a fight. E.g., if Trump denounces some group, then opposing groups will be more motivated to attack with violence. You can't see this? And the dirty dog newsies were trying to get Trump to provoke fights. Then some people would die, and the newsies would get more headlines. Look fellow citizen: We are a free country. You get to bel…

>He's trying to calm people down and save lives. Just today Trump retweeted an image of a train running down a CNN reporter. The guy is a fascist lunatic who constantly eggs on his base into violence.

> Just today Trump retweeted an image of a train running down a CNN reporter.

Where'd you get that? Earlier today to get caught up, I looked at Twitter for the just three people I follow, one of whom is Trump, and saw no such thing.

Just now from your post, I looked again and again saw no such thing.

There's some lack of communications here somewhere.

> The guy is a fascist lunatic who constantly eggs on his base into violence.

No facts, references, evidence. Just the same such nonsense we are flooded with daily from the NYT, WaPo, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, NBC. It's all just nonsense.

It's just Goebbels style "repeat a lie often enough and people will believe it.".

It's a lie. You believed it. You repeated it.

For your "fascist", Goebbels was a leading fascist, Nazi, the chief propaganda minister of Nazi Germany. It's ironic that you are using the technique Goebbels used and explained.

Goebbels went on to say " ... and eventually you will believe it, too.".

As bad as Goebbels was, and as bad as a lot of his propaganda was, it appears that he had some understanding of propaganda. Now what Goebbels understood has been borrowed; apparently it still works. It sucked you in.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by superobserver »

RandVal30142 wrote: post #368
superobserver wrote: post #211

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Lots of comments condemning Trump's condemnation of (the Nazi collaborator) Soros funded Antifa & BLM and white supremacists. I wonder who is responsible for the curiously pseudo-liberal turn in the comments here. Anyway, Merk, Intel, and so on exemplify all that is wrong with the fringe in politics that seeks to use violence as a means to an end. Anyone with any sense can see this for what it is, however, and no one…

... what?

TL;DR: Intel is going down and AMD is going up.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by dragonwriter »

RandVal30142 wrote: post #365
graycat wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's trying to calm people down and save lives. The newsies want to have Trump provoke a fight. E.g., if Trump denounces some group, then opposing groups will be more motivated to attack with violence. You can't see this? And the dirty dog newsies were trying to get Trump to provoke fights. Then some people would die, and the newsies would get more headlines. Look fellow citizen: We are a free country. You get to bel…

>He's trying to calm people down and save lives. Just today Trump retweeted an image of a train running down a CNN reporter. The guy is a fascist lunatic who constantly eggs on his base into violence.

> Just today Trump retweeted an image of a train running down a CNN reporter.

It was a CNN logo with arms and legs being run over by (well, hit squarely by the front of) “the Trump train”; that's different than a train hitting a reporter, though in horrible taste from a President at any time and especially inappropriate given its actual timing.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by dragonwriter »

graycat wrote: post #381
RandVal30142 wrote: post #365

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>He's trying to calm people down and save lives. Just today Trump retweeted an image of a train running down a CNN reporter. The guy is a fascist lunatic who constantly eggs on his base into violence.

> Just today Trump retweeted an image of a train running down a CNN reporter. Where'd you get that? Earlier today to get caught up, I looked at Twitter for the just three people I follow, one of whom is Trump, and saw no such thing. Just now from your post, I looked again and again saw no such thing. There's some lack of communications here somewhere. > The guy is a fascist lunatic who constantly eggs on his base int…

> Earlier today to get caught up, I looked at Twitter for the just three people I follow, one of whom is Trump, and saw no such thing.

It was deleted shortly after:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/us/politics/trump-shar...

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by fastball »

grasshopperpurp wrote: post #371
fastball wrote: post #316

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You live in a bubble if you think a handful of countries in Europe qualify as "everyone else" in the world , and also if you think those countries haven't had any issues with Universal Healthcare.

HOW BAD IS U.S. HEALTH CARE? AMONG HIGH-INCOME NATIONS, IT’S THE WORST, STUDY SAYS What were you saying about bubbles? http://www.newsweek.com/united-states-health-care-rated-wors...

I'm British...

Ya know, the country that scored tops on that study.

The fact is that there are a lot of people in the US that don't think they should be paying for everyone else's healthcare. This causes numerous problems when you are trying to implement a healthcare plan that covers everyone equally, for somewhat obvious reasons. I'd argue that the the US healthcare system will always be crippled as long as people feel this way, and I'm not sure how to change their minds.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by sctb »

graycat wrote: post #381
RandVal30142 wrote: post #365

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>He's trying to calm people down and save lives. Just today Trump retweeted an image of a train running down a CNN reporter. The guy is a fascist lunatic who constantly eggs on his base into violence.

> Just today Trump retweeted an image of a train running down a CNN reporter. Where'd you get that? Earlier today to get caught up, I looked at Twitter for the just three people I follow, one of whom is Trump, and saw no such thing. Just now from your post, I looked again and again saw no such thing. There's some lack of communications here somewhere. > The guy is a fascist lunatic who constantly eggs on his base int…

You've been abusing Hacker News with repetitive, political ranting and it has to stop or we'll ban the account.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by hsod »

mantas wrote: post #249
woofyman wrote: post #51

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>BLM look ridiculous too Protesting that cops kill black people and face no legal consequences is ridiculous?

Their kind of protesting is not my cup of tea. Protests can be done in civilised manner. Theirs, at least the ones that make the news, are not. Looking from afar, they're only hurting their cause. I mean.. if they thrash shit and take over rallies, maybe cops had a reason to shoot? Note - I know there was no reason in at least some cases. The library video with BLM harassing students was extremely embarrassing. Shit…

> if they thrash shit and take over rallies, maybe cops had a reason to shoot? Note - I know there was no reason in at least some cases.

What does this mean? What is "thrashing shit and taking over rallies"? Under what circumstances do you think it's acceptable for police to shoot citizens?

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by graycat »

sctb wrote: post #386
graycat wrote: post #381

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> Just today Trump retweeted an image of a train running down a CNN reporter. Where'd you get that? Earlier today to get caught up, I looked at Twitter for the just three people I follow, one of whom is Trump, and saw no such thing. Just now from your post, I looked again and again saw no such thing. There's some lack of communications here somewhere. > The guy is a fascist lunatic who constantly eggs on his base int…

You've been abusing Hacker News with repetitive, political ranting and it has to stop or we'll ban the account.

You are very badly confused.

E.g., for separate responses to my posts, I give separate responses, and they, sure, sometimes contain the same arguments. Nearly no one at HN makes responses just by giving links to other posts of theirs.

Sure, maybe I could wait two days, collect all the responses to my posts, and make one big response with no repetition.

Bytes are cheap; you are just being politically biased.

You are ruining the reputation of HN for objective communications.

And your reading comprehension sucks: My posts were actually NOT about politics but about the newsies, and what I said about the newsies was very solid material, e.g., back to Jefferson's statement which was stronger than mine. You wouldn't like Jefferson, either, right?

Looking at your posts, you have a strong political bias and are not at all rational or objective.

You are hurting HN.

You are a petty dictator.

You are threatening me, with 2260 karma, based on NOTHING WRONG.

I request a review by Paul Graham.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by graycat »

sanderjd wrote: post #377
graycat wrote: post #312

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> It's clear, from video, that the President's response to this was weasely equivocation. No, his response was terrific, good leadership, presidential, calm the violence. Your conclusion "weasely equivocation" was JUST from newsie GOSSIP, JUST as I wrote. It was just GOSSIP. You've been had. Why? The newsies wanted Trump to accept their dictation of what should be in his speech. Then (1) Trump looks like an obedient…

I should have been more clear: when I wrote "it's clear", I meant "it's clear to me ". My point is that it has nothing to do with the news, it has to do with my personal interpretation of a primary source. I don't think the President's initial response was weasely equivocation because that's what the news said, but rather because I watched the video of it with my own eyes and ears and drew that conclusion. The "gossi…

Right, Trump's first statement was terrific but not "strong" on denouncing specific groups or people, nor should it have been.

You are asking too much, way too much, of a responsible POTUS. You were asking at least for a much stronger statement before anyone had clear information, including you.

That you thought you had clear information, and you didn't since not even the POTUS yet did, is from newsie gossip and manipulation.

That you were asking too much is from more newsie gossip and manipulation -- they did the same back in the campaign with the David Duke nonsense.

You were still actually being led around by your nose by dirty newsie manipulation.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by BeetleB »

soundwave106 wrote: post #326
BeetleB wrote: post #267

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>There's a time for that discussion. But not now. No. The time is now. Without going into my stance, I will say that in all my years observing politics, every single time I've heard this comment it's to hide a double standard. Not a single exception. How do I know this? Because when that time does come (in this case it would be violence by the left), they are silent, and will not condemn. This is as good a time as an…

Do you have some clear examples of this? Thinking back to the last notable American left-wing oriented violent act (the 2017 Congressional baseball game shooting), I cannot think of a major Democratic politician that did not strongly condemn the act. Who is the "they" you are speaking of? In fact, regarding Charlottesville, this really isn't a right wing issue, it's a Trump issue. Most Republican leaders that I can t…

>Do you have some clear examples of this? Thinking back to the last notable American left-wing oriented violent act (the 2017 Congressional baseball game shooting), I cannot think of a major Democratic politician that did not strongly condemn the act. Who is the "they" you are speaking of?

By "they" I meant individuals I've interacted with, not a generic "they". My experience is with individuals who are polarized about various things (abortion, Middle East, etc) - I wasn't referring specifically to left vs right examples.

Some personal examples:

Muslims upset at a local newspaper for publishing certain cartoons. At the time they were protesting and demanding the editors get fired (one of them eventually was fired). I discussed it with them (friends, not just strangers), and they said a few things:

1. This isn't just about Muhammad but all of Islam's prophets (which includes Jesus, Moses, Abraham, etc).

2. This isn't just about Islam - they'd complain even if it happened to reverent figures of other religions.

3. The very statement that is being discussed here: Those are not the current problems and they are discussions for another time.

I pointed out to them that the comic section of the same newspaper had some years prior published really "offensive" cartoons about both Moses and Jesus. Response was "Well we weren't aware". Fair enough. Then later there was a news item about people upset with offensive depictions of Jesus. I pointed it out to them, and their response was the equivalent of "Leave me alone." Happened again related to a Hindu god. Same response.

The examples suggest the three points were not true. When those events became current problems, they did not want to have a discussion about it at all.

Similar story regarding the Israel/Palestine conflict. Without talking about which side did what, in one of the conflicts one side was accused of carrying out war crimes. Protests. I asked some of my friends (protesters) why this issue is so potent to them when similar or worse crimes are not. The response:

1. This is about human rights, not favoritism to a particular group. "We condemn it when it happens to any one".

2. This is the issue of the moment. Don't distract from it.

Sure enough, later there was another conflict so eerily similar to what they were protesting, but in a whole other part of the world. Point it out to them, and get the equivalent of "Leave us alone". And then of course much worse conflicts occur than in the Middle East (DRC, for example). Crickets.

This is what I meant when I said "Every single time I've heard this comment it's to hide a double standard."

And of course, I have to endure accusations of aligning with the other side (by both sides) whenever I ask these questions. I'm asking because I'm curious and want to know. In some cases I may be neutral, and in others I'm actually siding with one side. But my taking a stance to one side does not mean I'll blanket accept the hypocrisy by that side's proponents.

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