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Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by ZFH »

Too little too late. It's telling that they sell so few Mac Pros that they can ignore the Osborne effect of soft announcing a new model at least one year away in favor of some fluffy PR.

It's strange they don't understand that doing nothing but keeping the Pro up to date spec-wise would've signaled mild disregard already. Keeping it frozen for four years is a clear, prolonged, 'we don't care about you' message to pros.

And everyone could've told them the trashcan design made no sense, and in fact did when it debuted. No need to wait four years for that. Probably Ive really really liked it and nobody managed to stop him.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by dbbk »

_ph_ wrote: post #207

Best Apple-related news I have heard in a long time. Of course its outrageous, that they didn't listen to their customers earlier and reacted quicker, but it is great that they finally do, and also, that they are not shy admitting via this interview, that they changed their course. Based on how long a product takes to bring to market in a large company, it might have well been the public reaction to the MB Pro releas…

Why would today's spec bump require 6 months of planning? They didn't introduce new components, just moved the price points down a level.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by leonroy »

tmaly wrote: post #197

I bought a macbook pro back in the summer of 2015. It is still running strong despite the coffee I split on it. I am hoping for a serious memory upgrade when every they get around to it. I am curious what others are using for external storage? I did not splurge on a big internal drive, but I am finding any video work really consumes a ton of space.

LaCie Thunderbolt 2big here for high def and 4K projects - works great.

Then a Synology NAS for long term storage - also contains my entire iMovies library since gigabit is plenty fast for SD video.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by nottorp »

pier25 wrote: post #140
granda wrote: post #21

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Where do you recommend for someone that wants to build one?

I've been building hacks (as the community calls them) since 2010. If you get a golden build and get it working it's almost like a real mac. It's possible to get everything working 100% but it's time consuming and even in the best case scenario macOS updates will probably be a pain. Another aspect to consider is noise. If you come from the Mac world you are probably spoiled by low noise or silent computers. PCs are v…

Macs (maybe with the exception of a Mac Pro) are only silent at idle, not in full load. By my definition of 'silent' at least. If you can't hear the system while gaming because you use headphones, sorry, it's not silent.

If you just randomly build a beige box hackintosh, it will be noisy. If you spend some quality time on silentpcreview, you can get one that is silent even under load. I know, I have one.

Still, I'd very much like to get a decent Mac Pro instead. Devil's in the details, let's wait and see. My hackintosh isn't becoming obsolete any time soon.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by Godel_unicode »

bobochan wrote: post #343
maccard wrote: post #332

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> but someone please explain why having an absolutely fundamental ability to edit text and securely connect to work and transfer data to/from remote machines is something that any OS should be shipping without? The ability to edit text _does_ ship on windows - notepad. (not that I'd recommend it but it does exist). Also, OSX doesn't ship with anything better. FTP isn't a fundamental requirement for everyone, I don't…

Notepad??? OS X has shipped with both emacs and vim since Day 1. I'm sorry, but you seem quite unfamiliar with Macs. You are correct, I would never suggest anyone have an FTP client; I have that service turned off on every machine I administer. SSH / SFTP are fundamental tools however.

> SSH / SFTP are fundamental tools

They are provided out of the box (and newer versions than OSX ships with) by WSL. As is vim, emacs, apt, etc.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by hypertexthero »

Excellent news!

I'm looking forward to being able to land on moons in Elite Dangerous Horizons in VR on a Mac at some point.

In the meantime I got a Zotac EN1060, a machine the size of a Mac Mini that runs any game I throw at it at 60 frames per second, which makes booting into Windows tolerable.

Graphic design and coding work remains in the realm of a 2014 Macbook Pro.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by gabemart »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #297
Eun wrote: post #222

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Window management in OSX is horrible. Finder is even more horrible. It reminds me of the Windows 95 Explorer. A network drive hangs? Good luck with Finder..., the whole system halts.

> Window management in OSX is horrible. What is so horrible about it ? I have the exact same reaction every time I have to use Microsoft Windows. Window management is one of the strongpoints of MacOS. > A network drive hangs? Good luck with Finder..., the whole system halts. I've never encountered this problem on both AFP and SMB shares.

> Window management is one of the strongpoints of MacOS.

Can you give an example of this? I regularly switch between macos, windows and ubuntu and I have a hard time coming up with much positive to say about macos window management (unless a third-party tool is used).

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by nottorp »

wlesieutre wrote: post #153
pier25 wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been building hacks (as the community calls them) since 2010. If you get a golden build and get it working it's almost like a real mac. It's possible to get everything working 100% but it's time consuming and even in the best case scenario macOS updates will probably be a pain. Another aspect to consider is noise. If you come from the Mac world you are probably spoiled by low noise or silent computers. PCs are v…

If anyone's looking for information on silent PCs, http://silentpcreview.com/ is a handy resource. I briefly ran a hackintosh when my Biostar motherboard died and I was frustrated with how slow my old Macbook Air was running. Pretty simple process: replaced it with a Gigabyte, downloaded an installer image from my Mac, and used to TonyMac tools to set it up. Unfortunately wasn't able to get Xcode to work reliably. Ev…

I'm not sure it's the hackintosh... now and then I hear a lot of complaints about a particular version of xcode even on native macs. I don't use it, but I have work colleagues who do.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by hedora »

I think it is funny they are scrapping the entire line because of GPU thermals.

A big chunk of their pro market just wants a pile of ram and cpu cores. They could offer that now with an intel integrated gpu for $1-$3K. Also, it wouldnt surprise me if intel gpus can already drive 5K, so you'd be able to actually plug it into the nice LG mac monitor (unlike the thing they are shipping). If not, they could sell a high end, but single gpu config, which is still a waste of a gpu, but at least it could drive current apple-approved monitors.

Also, delaying the entire line 12+ months for a heatsink is madness. Surely they could slap together a water cooler or something for a single high end gpu config.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by gnicholas »

> We think it’s really important to create something great for our pro customers who want a Mac Pro modular system, and that’ll take longer than this year to do.

So perhaps starting in 2016, or 2015, or 2014 would have been a good idea?

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