The commercial airline industry has lost money over the whole of its existence. If I'm flying from NYC to DAL, I'm flying the cheapest carrier (with a slight nod to Frequent Flyer programs). I'm not sure how Uber, Lyft, etc are any different than Southwest, American, etc. Cab companies (which I hate) and airlines saw this years ago and promoted regulations to protect their fees (and, thereby, wages). Airlines lost th…
Why I don't believe in Uber's Success
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Re: Why I don't believe in Uber's Success
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Normal logistics providers have their own fleets and have to deal with the depreciation and maintenance costs. Uber shifts all those costs onto their drivers.
That doesn't sound sustainable.
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Amazon is in a low margin commodity business with massive amounts of competition, but they're still massive and becoming even bigger because they do what everyone else can do just that little bit better that there's no real reason to switch away.
Since Amazon seems to have shifted to generate profit instead of subsidizing prices, it went downhill (at least in Berlin). Amazon Logistics is a huge pain (several lost packages, Saturday and 8pm delivery to business) and the prices of most goods at Amazon is mediocre. As a very good and Amazon customer for a very long time, I've reached the point to jump to something else should it materialize.
Re: Why I don't believe in Uber's Success
#385I think Uber's business model relies on self-driving cars. They're paying subsidies now to build a brand -- the name "Uber" has become synonymous with "pull out your cell phone and call for a ride" -- that will be very valuable once self-driving taxis become a commodity (which will happen shortly after their introduction). Uber is not a bet on who can build the most profitable taxi company now -- it's a bet on a bran…
Self-driving cars will remove Uber's one significant competitive advantage: The network effects of having lots of drivers. I very much doubt Uber's brand will be a significant asset in 10 years. I cannot see any reason why the economics of self-driving cabs would be any different to airlines.
Cars are much less dangerous. In a failure scenario, a car can easily be designed with a simple mechanical failsafe to disable the vehicle and wait for help. The lower cost of failure in an automobile entirely changes the business model: it allows you to apply modern product design processes (agile design, rapid feedback, tight integration of R&D and operations, etc.) because any individual failure of the product isn't going to cause headlines.
Anyway, that's the difference: a catastrophic failure in an airplane is $200-500 million in financial losses ($150-300 million for the airframe, and the bad press/settlement from killing ~200 people). A catastrophic failure in a car is the loss of a $60,000 vehicle and maybe death payouts of under $1 million. The only way we'll be able to ethically apply these design principles to flight is drones / UAVs -- which is exactly why they will quickly come to dominate air freight once someone figures out a viable model.
Anyway, due to all of this, automated taxi companies won't be taking on nearly the level of risk that an airline does. IMO there's also more room for differentiation for "specialty" taxis: let's say you and a group of coworkers need to go to another office an hour and a half away. Why not rent a "meeting" car with Internet access, whiteboards and tables so you can knock out a meeting or two on the way? Or are you hungry on the way somewhere? Order a food car and have your meal waiting for you when it picks you up. Are you tight on cash? Order a 10-passenger bus that will pick you up on the way. Because the risk and cost are lower, there will be a lot more variability in cost and thus in business model.
IMO Uber's brand value is in owning the customer billing relationship -- that is ENORMOUS in the consumer product world. They've reduced transactional friction to almost nothing (THAT is Uber's true brand value -- even if consumers don't consciously realize it), so it's going to be very hard to displace them.
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#386Earlier quoted context omitted.
> As far as war chest goes, Uber basically has no competition. Google has more money coming in half year than Uber has ever raised, and it's from profits . The major car companies also have billions of dollars of revenue and collectively they hold hundreds of billions, possibly trillions, of dollars of fully depreciated assets.
You're right about the cash available, but how much is Google (and its investors) willing to lose to compete with Uber? Are Google's investors willing to put up with another [vastly more expensive] Google Plus? Because when I say war chest, I mean Uber is willing to lose it all. Rides are Uber's only revenue source, whereas Google has never made a cent in that industry.
Re: Why I don't believe in Uber's Success
#387I think Uber's business model relies on self-driving cars. They're paying subsidies now to build a brand -- the name "Uber" has become synonymous with "pull out your cell phone and call for a ride" -- that will be very valuable once self-driving taxis become a commodity (which will happen shortly after their introduction). Uber is not a bet on who can build the most profitable taxi company now -- it's a bet on a bran…
Guys, if you're paying $2B/year to "build a brand," you should maybe think about exactly how valuable that brand will be.
Uber is only having a cash bonfire right now to keep the drivers happy so they don't make it a terrible experience for the customers. But rest assured as soon as they are allowed to, Uber will replace the drivers, lower the price and capture some percentage of what they used to have to pay drivers for themselves. That's when Uber goes from a brand investment to a cash cow.
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Agreed, and the author even sets us up for this - again and again he mentions how the largest sink is the drivers, the largest cost is the drivers, the biggest blocker is the drivers. Remove the drivers from the equation and things suddenly become a lot simpler. Imagine if instead of becoming an uber driver, you retrofit your car with an Uber Automated Car Taxi Converter(c), "guaranteed to put your car to work for yo…
After having two nightmare drivers this week where I actually had to end the ride early and get out of the car, I can't wait for self-driving cars, and whatever service that rolls out self-driving cars first is going to get all of my business.
Re: Why I don't believe in Uber's Success
#389Unit economics doesn't work—this is Uber's broken moat. In the cities where it works, there are cheaper competitors and Uber struggle to become a significant player. In my city (Kyiv, Ukraine) Uber was introduced a year ago. I used it only while it offered promotional price. Now every other local ride service is cheaper than Uber and has mobile app—sometimes even better than Uber's. Yes, Uber made these services to improve, but now they are all better that Uber in terms of prices of rides, especially in surge periods.
Uber with this model could survive only with:
1/ Autonomous cars to cut costs on drivers and
2/ Controlling the whole driverless platform in every city.
And this is not happening since to control significant portion of driverless cars one need to control the whole driverless tech stack. It will be pretty hard to aggregate in one service different co's driverless tech with different specifics. That's what Tesla does.
I guess later when driverless will become growing en mass, Tesla will start own ride service, and letting own car for the a ride service will be opportunity to reimburse car purchase. It is then that Tesla will start licensing driverless tech to other manufacturers, including sensors configuration and centralised trained AI cloud with driving skills on different roads, and give opportunity to join Tesla's own ride on demand network. It will be a car selling point: "buy a car with Tesla driverless tech and let it for rides via Tesla's network to cover payments for your car".
So, it's rather hard for Uber to use advantages of driverless unless Uber builds own full stack and is the first on the roads with it + starts licensing it to car manufacturers for their cars to join Uber network.
Re: Why I don't believe in Uber's Success
#390I've been an Uber driver for 2-years in a metro-area of about 1-million people. The first year was rough, as Uber aggressively lowered rates and royally screwed me over income-wise. But now, I'm making more than ever thanks to the service scaling. The author of this blog post admits that he hasn't run any numbers, and his conclusions make that obvious. I've run the numbers, and I make part of my living as an Uber dri…