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Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by href »

optimuspaul wrote: post #19

As a Mac Loyalist I don't feel at all alienated. I am not merely a consumer and my life is more than the computer I use. I don't need or want constant attention. I think what they've been doing it great. Frankly I'm more annoying with the bloggers and media with their constant bullying of Apple. The iPhone 7 had just been announced and they were already speculating what the iPhone 8 was going to be. WTF? How about we…

I feel the same. I am as happy with my Apple products as I've ever been. That does not mean they are perfect of course. It merely means I like them.

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Post by beat »

muninn_ wrote: post #337
duaneb wrote: post #214

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This is exactly the type of attitude that makes me dread the future. Why invest in technology at all? Wires are great, honestly. Easy to debug and use. The original zero config.

Technology in this context isn't an investment. Wires aren't investments. Wires are a cost. Imagine if your kids grow up and never have to buy a single cable for anything. How much money would that save them over their lives? What if these kids grow up in a world where things are connected, seemingly alive, because they just know about the presence of other things and can "talk" to those things and do your bidding? T…

This is only going to happen in the professional audio world if you can build wireless protocols with sufficient reliability in terms of latency - bandwidth isn't the problem, latency is. Neither Bluetooth nor 802.11 are designed for guaranteed latency. Firewire was designed explicitly for it. USB not so much, but it can be adequately faked. But wireless? I don't see that happening anytime soon. Right now, I can't get my computer to reliably do Bluetooth from ten feet away to handle a single one-way stereo stream. That's crap.

So this wireless dream future? It's just a dream, for those who have more demanding needs than surfing the web.

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Post by FireBeyond »

jdietrich wrote: post #306
badsock wrote: post #110

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Seriously, if anyone has a technical answer to this I'd love to know what it is. Right now I can't intepret the soldered-on ram in desktops as anything other than a user-hostile cash grab.

Cash grab. Apple charge $1200 to upgrade from 16GB to 64GB in the Mac Pro. The retail price for 64GB of ECC DDR3 is $530. The markups on processor upgrades are similarly high.

Even worse when you realize that you're paying that $1200 for only 48GB of memory.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by beat »

muninn_ wrote: post #329
cwyers wrote: post #243

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"Buy a desktop" in a thread about deficiencies in Apple laptops is a joke, right?

It's not a deficiency. Laptops can't do everything. Apple can't build a computer that caters to every edge case. That's why I don't complain that I can't play the latest video games on my laptop, or run 50 VM boxes or something.

But I'm not complaining that it can't do something magical and new. I'm complaining that it can't do what the same product could do from the same vendor five years ago.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by wineisfine »

It surprises me how many others here have 17" Macbook Pro's.

I thought I was the last man standing.

But it's true, changing the HD with SDD, and it even runs Sierra fine.

But also: it shows that under Jobs, they were making working horse-machines for developers. This is in big contrast to what Cook is up to. He could also be running Pepsi, Coca Cola or Exxon.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by mhermher »

curun1r wrote: post #187
badsock wrote: post #110

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Seriously, if anyone has a technical answer to this I'd love to know what it is. Right now I can't intepret the soldered-on ram in desktops as anything other than a user-hostile cash grab.

I'm not saying that I prefer the soldered-in versions, but back when I had a Mac with user-replaceable memory, the RAM would get unseated from time to time as my machine got jostled around in my bag and I'd have to open it up to fix it. I imagine that the Genius Bar saw a non-zero number of people bringing in computers that wouldn't boot because of this. Also, soldered-in saves space and thus helps with their patholo…

He specified desktops though. Pretty sure you don't have a desktop jostling around in your bag.

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Post by threeseed »

beat wrote: post #150
an_account wrote: post #123

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FireWire has been dead for years, it's time for an upgrade.

Firewire is very much alive in my house. Why is it "dead"? Why do I have to upgrade?

You could replace FireWire in that sentence with LaserDiscs, BetaMax etc. Fact is some technologies just don't take off enough to warrant long term support.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by TheOneTrueKyle »

WaltPurvis wrote: post #263
TheOneTrueKyle wrote: post #246

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Hackintosh it up. Youy won't regret it

I do use a Hackintosh for my desktop, but that's not really a viable option for the general public, and even for myself I'd prefer to just have Apple start selling decent desktops again.

Yeah I agree. My 2010 MBP isn't going to last much longer and have no idea where to go after it dies.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by muninn_ »

beat wrote: post #379
muninn_ wrote: post #332

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You as the individual don't matter. Parts will fail, components will need to be replaced, time moves forward. The future will be those same devices (or similar) using a single cable that will be compatible with everything, or it will be wireless. If for some reason it's not, then you just buy an adapter (which people do now anyway). Your view is short-sighted. You're saying "What about me? What about right now?".

I'm a customer . Of course I matter. They're losing sales because they're not giving me any reason to stay, and multiple reasons to go. That matters. Suppose I bite the bullet and switch to Windows? Apple's lost me then. They're not going to win me back. And that's not just the Mac. That's maybe my next phone. My next pad. My next router (oh wait, they're getting out of the wireless router game too). Losing customers…

I do dislike them exiting the router business.

As for losing customers, well, then we will look at the sales numbers.

I wasn't "happy" with the new MacBook Pro lineup, but I personally love the direction they're going. The only bad thing is the price increase, but they will drop the price.

But for your "I'm a customer I matter" comment. No you don't. Apple isn't going to let people who want a gigantic laptop with a million different ports get in the way of a wireless or standardized port world. I hate the fact that my work monitors have all these connections. You have all these cords coming out, different port types that do the same thing, and how many times has somebody gone to a meeting only to have to bring some dongle or find out that they have hdmi and the conference room is vga only or something? All of that is stupid. It's 2016. We can do better. I don't want to be tethered to the wall or a some device like a slave.

Re: How Apple Alienated Mac Loyalists

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Post by yuhong »

jdietrich wrote: post #310
lmm wrote: post #202

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It probably lets them reuse more of the same assembly line/processes for desktops/laptops/tablets.

The Mac Pro is made in the USA; the rest of Apple's product line is made in China. There is already considerable hand-assembly in the Mac Pro; the additional step of installing socketed RAM would add no more than a few cents in cost. Using soldered RAM in the Mac Pro is transparently user-hostile. It serves no purpose other than to depress the used market and allow Apple to charge a huge premium for extra RAM.

Which is why they don't.
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