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Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by yolesaber »

gspetr wrote: post #369
to3m wrote: post #360

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1. It was 3 words... trust me, it didn't take long to write 2. The comment would be "More white people " - note the emphasis, it's kind of the key thing 3. I always heard virtue was a good thing. And here I am displaying it, you say. With you... in opposition? But, please, do what you think best.

There at least 3 more comments using "whites" in this HN news item, why have you not corrected those? Why did only black people get special treatment?

>Why did only black people get special treatment?

White people weren't / aren't systemically discriminated against since before the founding of this country. come on son, log off lesswrong and learn some social context.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by int_19h »

st3v3r wrote: post #375
int_19h wrote: post #355

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Let me clarify that. I don't actually particularly care about whether the boycott would work or not, in a sense of preventing the affected company from hiring more people. What I care about is remedying the material harm that is caused to people discriminated against. If you are looking for a job, and they tell you that you needn't apply because of your race/gender/..., but there are thousands more equivalent jobs in…

"If you are looking for a job, and they tell you that you needn't apply because of your race/gender/..., but there are thousands more equivalent jobs in your market that don't have such restrictions, there's no substantial harm to you" You have lost all credibility with that statement.

If it's not meant as a rhetorical comment, I'm afraid you'll need to explain it in a bit more detail, pointing out where exactly my reasoning is wrong. In particular, if you object to the statement that there's no substantial harm in being rejected from a job for discriminatory reasons, when the job market has thousands more equivalent (i.e. same pay, same career opportunities etc) jobs that are yours for the taking instead, you'll have to explain what constitutes said harm.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by oh_sigh »

yolesaber wrote: post #380
oh_sigh wrote: post #240

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Maybe you just have an unconscious bias against blacks, and therefore think that "blacks" sounds bad. If I said "Whites outnumber african americans in the US 5:1", would you be offended?

If I fucked your dad, would you jerk off?

Yes. I would do that even if you didn't fuck my dad though.

Also, for your sake, I hope you're into necrophilia.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by zallen »

zallen wrote: post #371
oh_sigh wrote: post #238

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So in a profession that is generally 80% male, and 20% female, you think that women are so amazing that they will make up 80% of the top leadership in an even playing field? That seems unlikely.

Oh, I don't know, let's math it. I keep hearing that women need to be twice as good to make it half as far. Sooo, 20% women in STEM x 2 x 2 (twice as good; and, multiply by two to make up for half as far) = ... 80% Q.E.D.

Whoever downvoted me not only has no sense of humour but is also clearly bad at math. Maybe you need to be replaced by a lady.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by jimmywanger »

ajamesm wrote: post #379
jimmywanger wrote: post #378

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Considering that lady is not generally accepted as an asexual term, I'm having a difficult time parsing your statement. Certain words mean certain things in certain contexts. If you want to start using "lady" as an asexual term, go for it. Be prepared for stares and weird looks when people don't know what you're talking about because it's not generally used that way, unlike 'dude and guy'. What's your point exactly?

You don't see my point? You're frustrated and defensive, and all I've done is address you by the wrong gender.

> You're frustrated and defensive

Project much?

> all I've done is address you by the wrong gender.

How do you know it's the wrong gender? Why are you making assumptions about my gender, without knowing if I identify as a female?

My original point was the the words "dude" and "guy" have lost all gender connotations in California at least. Try to stay on point.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by skuhn »

twblalock wrote: post #367
skuhn wrote: post #81

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It wouldn't surprise me at all if the data Marissa looked at was skewed because the corporate Yahoo VPN was atrociously terrible. People who routinely worked outside of the office, or just wanted to be able to read their e-mail at home without the VPN client randomly panicing their system, had devised various workarounds to get things done. The corporate VPN is distinct from production, so you could still do actual w…

> The corporate VPN is distinct from production, so you could still do actual work without using it too. Are you suggesting that people should have worked directly on production servers instead of using the VPN to work in a development environment?

I'm stating the fact that when I worked at Yahoo, one did not need to utilize the VPN to connect to production (which is where most staging / pre-prod environments existed as well).

Someone whose job pertains to operations does the bulk of their daily work on actual production hosts, for instance. Some tools (like the bug tracker) also didn't require use of the VPN.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by EJTH »

oh_sigh wrote: post #242
EJTH wrote: post #104

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"reverse discrimination" What does that even mean? It really comes out as a bullshit term to be honest. How can you be reverse discriminated? It makes no sense! Its either discrimination or it is not.

reverse discrimination is a specific type of discrimination.

Wouldn't it just be discrimination really? Its the same with reverse racism, it doesn't exist because it is just racism, nothing more nothing less.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by st3v3r »

int_19h wrote: post #382
st3v3r wrote: post #375

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"If you are looking for a job, and they tell you that you needn't apply because of your race/gender/..., but there are thousands more equivalent jobs in your market that don't have such restrictions, there's no substantial harm to you" You have lost all credibility with that statement.

If it's not meant as a rhetorical comment, I'm afraid you'll need to explain it in a bit more detail, pointing out where exactly my reasoning is wrong. In particular, if you object to the statement that there's no substantial harm in being rejected from a job for discriminatory reasons, when the job market has thousands more equivalent (i.e. same pay, same career opportunities etc) jobs that are yours for the taking…

The action is either harm or it's not. If I have a fence, and you run your car through it, the harm is not judged on whether I can replace the fence quickly.

Further, your statement goes a step further and seeks to normalize and legitimize discrimination. You're saying that it's perfectly ok for this to happen, borderline encouraging it by removing any and all penalties for the action.

The onus is not on me to show harm. The onus is on you to demonstrate why your statement should be taken seriously, and why there is no harm. And simply being able to find another job before you starve to death is NOT evidence that there is no harm.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by nogbit »

bobthecowboy wrote: post #227
iron0012 wrote: post #217

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That's not true in my experience, and I doubt it's true in yours. While "guys" is sometimes employed to refer to a mixed gender group of people, it would be very weird for "guy" or "dude" to be used to refer to a woman. Argue in good faith, please. And try not to police PC here. You're not bringing anything to the discussion.

As someone who has lived in Southern California 90% of their life, and Berkeley, CA the rest, I can absolutely say that it is true in my experience that Californians (and I obviously include myself in this set) will use 'guy' and 'dude' to refer to anything . Men, women, children, dogs, cats, cars, burritos. Last week I got up from the table to throw the rest of my burrito away and offered to take my wife's as well b…

I refer to many servers, consoles, screens etc as him/her/he/she/guy, and I to call out any last remaining food on the kids plate in the same way as you. West coast as well.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by gnashville »

amyjess wrote: post #253
gnashville wrote: post #249

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> vengeful boss > that boss and I get along really well outside of work hm.

When he's stressed, he gets very, very abusive and takes it out on his subordinates. He's screamed at me, and I've heard him screaming at my co-workers several offices over. He has no control over his temper. He's actually a better person drunk than he is sober. He's warm and friendly when he's drunk. Also, he gets irrationally angry when anyone calls out the terrible job done by his friend who he put in an architect…

brutal, glad you made it out when you did.

The "bad as a human except when he's drunk" is pretty interesting, considering it usually works the other way around. Keep that shit at arm's length.

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