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Re: Trump

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This whole topic is mostly nasty mud wrestling and is way beneath you and hopefully me. Yup, likely there are many millions of peaceful Muslims. I hope so. Of course, the claims that some polls show that ballpark 50% of Muslims in the US favor Sharia law would concern me, but I'll put that aside for now. Your view of freedom of religion is deep and delicate. Freedom of religion is fine with me, but I don't want to ca…

> We don't want new ghettos where police are afraid to go. Supposedly there are such in Europe now. Do you have any examples please?

Um the calais jungle? Molenbeek in Belgium, Rosengard in Sweden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSbgxChQAhQ

Re: Trump

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> References? I can't address a "supposedly" without something more substantive to go on. Correct. I need more references. No joke. I don't know much about Islam. Take dress codes: I don't know if the Burka is demanded in all Islamic countries, ..., and the same for the full list of what is said to be the case in, say, Saudi Arabia. I've spent a LOT of time gathering information on politics since Trump announced a ye…

> I've got a lot of info nicely organized on my computer, but I could have more. I hope the info is sourced, well. It's not just about how much info you have, or what it says, it's about how trustworthy and accurate it is and how unbiased it is together. It's relatively simple to have completely correct statements that through simple omission of relevant info can complete change the calculus. I find locating trustwor…

My computer directory on Trump is mostly just primary sources, that is, URLs at YouTube of complete speeches, rallies, interviews, transcripts prepared by C-SPAN, Time, NYT, etc., stuff pulled down from Trump's Web site, etc.

Trump University -- Calling it a university is a bit much. I heard his description of what it was -- that sounded okay. There is a role for education that is closer to practice than in the usual universities -- I used to be a prof in a relatively good B-school and can have some sympathy for what Trump claimed he was doing. But such a thing has to be buyer beware -- actually, much the same for anything in education. My guess would be that Trump started his university mostly for making money, enhancing his brand, and, maybe, getting leads on some hiring. Was there some high pressure selling? Maybe. That's pretty standard for for-profit education. There were some interviews with some people that claimed to like the courses, found them useful, and made money with them. Those students looked like relatively mature business people. I can believe that to get a lot of financial benefit from the real estate parts, would have to be good in the business of real estate or at least willing to work hard to be.

IMHO, Trump has been in business; one pillar of his success has been publicity to build a brand; in this, he is good at tooting his own horn, relatively loudly; he's nearly always selling, say, ABC, always be closing. He has admitted that he exaggerates, but he did say "harmless" exaggerations. Maybe some of the exaggerations are not so harmless.

If he wins, and I certainly believe he will, especially after his Clinton Cash speech, which I believe is just his first of a continuing flow of shots at Hillary (and I suspect her legal problems will keep her off the ballot in November -- I suspect that the FBI is building a rock solid case with just the right charge to bring), I believe that what he will do will be an okay attempt at what he's promised considering that his promises were from someone selling hard, ABC, with some exaggeration.

For improving on ObamaCare, he has already outlined his ideas, and it seems that the main idea is just to let insurance companies sell across state lines and craft policies quite narrowly targeted, a few customers at a time. So, you pay for only what you need and get a relatively good price on that. And maybe he will ask the medical profession to publish price lists. A lot of people will believe that that will beat ObamaCare and, thus, have Trump keep his promise.

For jobs, broadly I believe that there really is a lot he can do. One reason he can be "the greatest jobs president" is timing -- we're about ready to come out of The Great Recession. The economy still needs some help coming out, but I believe that Trump can supply that.

For bringing jobs back, I have to suspect that he can but it will be a quite slow process, for much progress, all of his first term. Why? Because businesses will have to get started, and the labor costs can't be so high too few people will buy the results.

But there are other reasons he can be a great jobs president -- we have about 95 million people out of the labor force.

Another reason: He will say "drill, Baby, drill" and "all of the above" on energy supplies.

Another reason: Rummy said this week that in the 1950s we were spending about 10% of GDP on the military and are down to, what was it, about 4% now. Well, Trump may take us back to 10%, and that will create a lot of jobs, say, like Reagan did when he spent a lot on the US military.

Lowering taxes will help getting the economy going and create jobs.

How to balance the budget? Get the economy going, get people better jobs so that they pay more taxes, put a lot of the 95 million back to work, etc. Don't forget the tariffs. So, get a huge flood of new tax revenue. Does this arithmetic add up? I suspect that he will mostly MAKE add up but not easily. To have this arithmetic add up, he will be constrained.

If he slaps tariffs on imports, then he might create some inflation. I suspect that effect will slow his ability to do much of what he wants in the economy.

Maybe he has some good economic advisers who have outlined a plan that will likely work.

Enforcing the immigration laws? Sure, he can do that right away.

Export illegals? Make a lot of progress with just one word, e-Verify.

I wish we knew a lot more about just what and how Trump will do things, but I doubt we will learn much more before the election.

If Hillary runs, I suspect that there won't be much left of her after Trump beats up on her from now until election day.

Trump is a tough, smart cookie who is good at winning -- I believe he will win against Hillary or whomever he Dems run.

But I don't think that Trump is really running a scam.

Re: Trump

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I didn't know he claimed that, and I've no idea what's the law on that. But his claims that illegal immigrants are in the US illegally are true, by definition.

The proper term is 'undocumented immigrant.' In this country all people (whether they are citizens or not) are given the benefit of due process and are innocent until proven guilty.

WTF. No they are not. Only US citizens are given Due Process. That does NOT extend to Illegals.

Undocumented immigrant is Not the proper definition. They came here illegally under their own free will. They broke the law and are NOT law abiding. Therefore, the proper term is illegal. Don't be stupid.

Re: Trump

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> I've got a lot of info nicely organized on my computer, but I could have more. I hope the info is sourced, well. It's not just about how much info you have, or what it says, it's about how trustworthy and accurate it is and how unbiased it is together. It's relatively simple to have completely correct statements that through simple omission of relevant info can complete change the calculus. I find locating trustwor…

My computer directory on Trump is mostly just primary sources, that is, URLs at YouTube of complete speeches, rallies, interviews, transcripts prepared by C-SPAN, Time, NYT, etc., stuff pulled down from Trump's Web site, etc. Trump University -- Calling it a university is a bit much. I heard his description of what it was -- that sounded okay. There is a role for education that is closer to practice than in the usual…

> My computer directory on Trump is mostly just primary sources, that is, URLs at YouTube of complete speeches, rallies, interviews, transcripts prepared by C-SPAN, Time, NYT, etc., stuff pulled down from Trump's Web site, etc.

Those are primary sources if you are trying to confirm what Trump said, but they do nothing to indicate if what Trump said was correct.

> Trump University -- Calling it a university is a bit much. I heard his description of what it was -- that sounded okay.

I'm much less interested in what Trump says about it than what the documentation says about how it was actually run. I really do advise you to look into this issue closer. Here's something to get you started[1][2] (it has a fairly obvious anti-trump stance, but there are plenty of facts to garner from it).

First, he has no idea who his "handpicked" instructors were, even though that was supposedly a big selling point. Instructors had official scripts to go off in which they talked about dinners with Trump.

The brief, filed in federal district court in San Diego, further asserts that Donald Trump admitted under oath that he retains no real estate techniques beyond what has been published in his books. In other words, students who paid as much as $60,000 to Trump University over the course of a year could have gotten the exact same information through a $10 book purchased on Amazon.

Students in the program’s introductory three-day seminar were told to use their break times to double or even quadruple their credit card limits and were asked to fill out financial statements so they’d be prepared to finance lucrative real estate transactions. Instructors then used those higher credit limits and financial information to pressure the students into enrolling in Trump University’s $34,995 Gold Program.

Trump University sold “one year apprenticeship” programs for $1,495 that were in actuality a three-day workshop and a 1-800 number to a “client advisor.”

Even though students were told they would get to have their picture taken with Trump, usually (possibly every single time, I'm not sure there's a record of him ever showing up) that ended up being with a a cardboard cutout of Trump.

> There were some interviews with some people that claimed to like the courses, found them useful, and made money with them.

The only ones I've really heard of so far were people that were interviewed before the course ended, and expected to receive additional help from the course (contacts/placements, etc) ended. They were incentivized to not speak ill of the course they still hoped would help provide some return on the money they spent. I don't have a source for that though, so if you have something contradictory, it may be more accurate.

> we're about ready to come out of The Great Recession.

We've been out of that recession for years. The unemployment rate is very low[3]. It's a mistake to assume that coming out of a recession means that everyone will get an equivalent job and make the same amount of money as before. In this case, real household income is less in many cases, which is not good. That's not a factor of unemployment though (as the numbers show), but from lower paying jobs replacing previously higher paying jobs. Any policy to "create jobs" that doesn't address this isn't going to do much good, IMO.

> I wish we knew a lot more about just what and how Trump will do things, but I doubt we will learn much more before the election.

I find it troubling that you, and many other people, accept that. I don't think anyone should accepted as a valid candidate that purposefully avoids specifics in favor of wide, general, unverifiable statements. The United States is not a business. The Presidency is not a business-like position. There is very little overlap between a businessman and a politician, and the skills needed, IMO. For one, the President doesn't have that much power. Their biggest effects are to have a public voice, veto bills (if not overturned!), and to try to spur the legislative branches into motion. Want to build a wall? You should be looking towards your Congressmen and Senators, since it's not going to happen without them.

1: https://theintercept.com/2016/03/04/donald-trumps-sworn-test...

2: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/432010/trump-university...

3: http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

Re: Trump

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My computer directory on Trump is mostly just primary sources, that is, URLs at YouTube of complete speeches, rallies, interviews, transcripts prepared by C-SPAN, Time, NYT, etc., stuff pulled down from Trump's Web site, etc. Trump University -- Calling it a university is a bit much. I heard his description of what it was -- that sounded okay. There is a role for education that is closer to practice than in the usual…

> My computer directory on Trump is mostly just primary sources, that is, URLs at YouTube of complete speeches, rallies, interviews, transcripts prepared by C-SPAN, Time, NYT, etc., stuff pulled down from Trump's Web site, etc. Those are primary sources if you are trying to confirm what Trump said, but they do nothing to indicate if what Trump said was correct . > Trump University -- Calling it a university is a bit…

> they do nothing to indicate if what Trump said was correct.

That's right. For plans for the future, being "correct" is asking a bit too much, but we should also have some good audits or at least good details on the plans. I believe that we are quite short on audits or details for Trump's plans for the US with him as POTUS.

I've been for Trump since last fall or so, but I know we don't have nearly enough good details. But what the heck am I to do? To me, the other candidates look much worse, on details and more.

Last fall I thought that I wanted the details, but as voting citizens we nearly never get those. Sometimes politicians deliver -- JFK said we'd put a man on the moon and return him safely to earth and did. Bush 41 said that Saddam's invasion of Kuwait "would not stand", put Schwarzkopf in charge, and, as at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKi3NwLFkX4

the results were brilliant.

Obama said he would "fundamentally transform" America, the US, or some such, but not in any way I'd want.

So, sometimes I like what politicians do, but usually I don't.

For unemployment rate, I was drawing partly from some Bureau of Labor Statistics material and discussion as at

http://themusingsofthebigredcar.com/lets-cut-the-crap-unempl...

There he has a big plot of labor force participation rate. We're talking 90+ million people who could, presumably in principle, be working but now out of the labor force. If you take his judgment seriously, then the situation, to be technical, sucks. He also mentions BLS data U-6 and U-7, and I have yet to look up those and I didn't see links to them. But I believe that the official 5% unemployment rate is lying with statistics, i.e., maybe is literally true for a particular definition that may at times be an okay definition but definitely is not now.

Net, on unemployment, I don't think that the real rate, with a reasonable definition, is 5% or anywhere near that. Maybe Trump's 20% is correct or even too low. So, one hope for the economy, deficit, standard of living, etc. is to get the "labor force participation rate" up, way up.

On Trump University (TU), good to know that in NYS he claimed to be operating a university without a NYS license. So there is a way to stop misuse of university.

For the point that there wasn't anything in the TU courses couldn't find in Trump books, okay. Quite generally there isn't much of any value in education not already in books. So, that situation about has to hold for TU also.

Your references have Trump claiming his instructors are "handpicked" by him personally. Right, that seems to be a lie. I did see a video of a few guys, 2, 3, maybe a few more, who claimed to have learned some valuable material TU about how to make money in real estate. Okay, maybe a few people did. Maybe there was some content in the courses.

To me, TU looks like an example of my guess about how Trump has done a lot of his smaller businesses: He has a broad, big picture idea, gets some people, and has them try to make the idea work. One of the keys to the idea is the Trump brand. Then the people Trump hired charge forward. If they make money, don't lose big law suits, and don't get too much bad publicity, then Trump regarded the project as successful. Call it business. For the customers, it's buyer beware. From what I've seen of the for-profit education industry out there, TU seems to fit right in. For the selling, sure, look at the famous movie scene from Glenn Garry Glenn Ross

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Lf8GtMe4M

So, selling in business is permitted to be just like that and sometimes is. So, maybe much of the selling of TU to students was like that.

A concern: One of your video clips has Trump selling TU and to me he looks and sounds very much the same as he did in his rallies and interviews during the primaries. He's good at sounding sincere: He sounded sincere for TU but said things, e.g., "handpicked", that conflict with what was in the deposition transcript you referenced. And during the primaries he sounded similarly sincere. That's a concern -- I need to upgrade my sincerity filter.

So, instead of Trump I should have backed one of the 16 Republican candidates he beat? I liked them less than Trump -- have no reason to trust them any more than Trump. I should vote for Hillary or Bernie? They can sound sincere, too, but to me the details, such as I can find them, look a lot worse than Trump's, and I agree that Hillary is a terrible crook and should go to jail for her violations of the rules and laws about handling classified information. So, maybe I should wait for Batman, Superman, Captain America, or John Wayne? Not promising, either.

So, one reason I have on my computer as primary sources what Trump said is to have, for later, means to write critical blog posts, with the primary sources and solid references, if Trump fails to deliver on his promises. Thin soup if Trump is lying. Not a lot of recourse.

Do I know that Trump's plans for jobs, the deficit, taxes, the wall, trade negotiations, negotiations with Iran, economic growth, protecting the US from radical Islam, rebuilding the US military, etc. are solid, doable, realistic, feasible? I wish I did, but I don't. And similarly for Jeb!, Cruz, Rubio, Carly, ....

What should I do about TU, Trump Steaks, Trump Vodka, etc.? It was business. If it was bad enough, then he'd be in jail.

Sure, I'd like a solid contract with a candidate for POTUS, but we don't have those yet. Lacking a solid contract, I'd like details. There are some, at a high level that don't guarantee much, at Trump's Web site. I'd like some examples of where our trade deals are bad, what good trade deals would look like, and the chances of getting good deals -- I don't have that. I'd like some really careful numbers, quarter by quarter, on the economy, budgets, taxes, revenue, deficits, interest rates, and inflation, but, again, I have no way to get those. Maybe the Fed staff can do some useful things with such macro economic modeling, but maybe they can't, either.

So, what can I do? What can any citizen or voter do? What did voters do for Ike, FDR, ..., Lincoln, ... Washington? Try to read character. And now we have what should be some advantages. Do I like our accuracy in reading character? HELL NO. Heck, I liked Romney, but recently I've concluded that he's a total turkey. How such a total turkey could have done that well in business and in MA politics I can't understand, but he looks like a turkey now.

For Trump: He's energetic. He's paying for nearly all of his campaign with his own money. Nearly any day in nearly any state, he can get 30,000 people to show up for one of his rallies -- i.e., he can build consensus and, e.g., thus get Congress to go along. He can get tens of millions of people to watch on TV and will likely do that again in the three or whatever debates with the Dem candidate -- again, he can get people to watch; he can build consensus. It appears that he wants the convention to add publcity and brand; if so, then that could help him get Congress to go along. I agree with him that the media is deliberately deceptive, disgusting, dangerous, and I'm pleased that he pushes back on them really hard -- and he's the only US high office candidate who does that. And, thus, maybe some of the newsies will actually dig into his details, plans, etc. to give us what we need but don't have now. He seems to be one heck of an effective manager: His small team did really well in the primaries. Think for a minute about the planning, details, contracts, arrangements, publicity, security, etc. for rallies for 10,000 -- 30,000 at a pop, all across the country. How the heck to do that, with a small, green staff?

Or, to me, Trump is the least bad, by a large margin, but, still, by a much larger margin, less than I wish we had and knew before we vote.

After all that, I've got my startup to work on.

Re: Trump

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> My computer directory on Trump is mostly just primary sources, that is, URLs at YouTube of complete speeches, rallies, interviews, transcripts prepared by C-SPAN, Time, NYT, etc., stuff pulled down from Trump's Web site, etc. Those are primary sources if you are trying to confirm what Trump said, but they do nothing to indicate if what Trump said was correct . > Trump University -- Calling it a university is a bit…

> they do nothing to indicate if what Trump said was correct. That's right. For plans for the future, being "correct" is asking a bit too much, but we should also have some good audits or at least good details on the plans. I believe that we are quite short on audits or details for Trump's plans for the US with him as POTUS. I've been for Trump since last fall or so, but I know we don't have nearly enough good detail…

> But I believe that the official 5% unemployment rate is lying with statistics

It's not lying with statistics, there is a definition for who is considered employed and who isn't. It's important to track who has decided they want to work but aren't (unemployed) compared to those who aren't employed and are not looking (retired, caring for a relative/child). These are well defined terms[1] that are used in the unemployment and labor force participation[2] numbers. From what I can tell, if a person has not looked for a job in 4 weeks, then they are considered not participating. But it's not done there, they also ask if they have looked in the last 12 months, and why they stopped, to try to identify people marginally attached.

Note, there is some thought that this could be the baby-boomers retiring[3], which account for larger demographic than others through a quirk of history.

Employment has a fairly complex definition in this respect. Do I think the participation rate matters? Yes. Do I think we are necessarily back where we were before the recession? No. Do I think we are in a recession? Definitely not, based on GDP growth[4]. That much of this growth isn't going to help those that need it is a separate problem, and not necessarily helped by focusing on the employment rate. Quality of employment matter a lot.

> Net, on unemployment, I don't think that the real rate, with a reasonable definition, is 5% or anywhere near that. Maybe Trump's 20% is correct or even too low. So, one hope for the economy, deficit, standard of living, etc. is to get the "labor force participation rate" up, way up.

The problem is none of these numbers are qualified. If you don't accept the definition of unemployment put out by the US government, that's fine, but you can't credibly quote another number, using different criteria, without defining that criteria. Does 20% include everyone that could work? Quite a few (93.3% of those not in the labor force) don't want to work[5].

> For the point that there wasn't anything in the TU courses couldn't find in Trump books, okay. Quite generally there isn't much of any value in education not already in books. So, that situation about has to hold for TU also.

True, but I think it's a bit different if you are the person who wrote the books,and you also have a course for thousands of dollars to teach you "real-estate secrets", then I don't think it's wrong to expect that you have something worth that extra money, otherwise the implication is that there's something new and actually secret that you are imparting, not the same old information you've already published.

> Maybe there was some content in the courses.

I don't doubt there was some content in the courses. There has to be something for people not to immediately report them as frauds (but not much, people don't want to believe they just spent thousands on a very bad investment). The problem is that the purpose of the courses was not to teach, but to try to pump them for more money, which is made clear by the handbooks and procedures the teachers were meant to follow.

> To me, TU looks like an example of my guess about how Trump has done a lot of his smaller businesses...

If you're making a case that he'll increase corruption in government by not correctly vetting those he chooses to work on a problem, and giving very little oversight, you're making a good case. ;)

> So, instead of Trump I should have backed one of the 16 Republican candidates he beat?

I'm not espousing you choose a particular candidate, just that you look critically at all of them, and all their claims. For me, this places Trump at the bottom. I don't like how he rides negative sentiment for popularity, and I don't like how

> I liked them less than Trump -- have no reason to trust them any more than Trump. I should vote for Hillary or Bernie? They can sound sincere, too, but to me the details, such as I can find them, look a lot worse than Trump's

I'mnot a big fan of Clinton, but I see her more as a career politician that has a hard time connecting to the populace, but as someone that does intend to do good.

Bernie is probably the most sincere politician any of us have seen in decades. Unfortunately, some of his ideas aren't really feasible. It's moot now.

> and I agree that Hillary is a terrible crook and should go to jail for her violations of the rules and laws about handling classified information.

I think as a career politician she's focused more on doing what works to get stuff done, and that probably entails ignoring what she saw as some of the smaller, unimportant rules both on purpose and through ignorance. What I think is likely, is that after this happened, a scary amount of congressmen and senators that had previously unused government email addresses all of a sudden started using them. That she used one isn't damning to me at all. That she may have covered up stuff after the fact is troubling, and could quite possibly be true. I at least expect my politicians to be competent enough not to be caught (heh), given that I think they all have things to hide, not matter how small (how many laws do you break driving to the store?). Trump doesn't get a pass on this though, the only group I have less trust in to admit wrongdoing instead of cover it up is Corporate America.

> So, one reason I have on my computer as primary sources what Trump said is to have, for later, means to write critical blog posts, with the primary sources and solid references, if Trump fails to deliver on his promises. Thin soup if Trump is lying. Not a lot of recourse.

That's a good reason! I tend to think he'll check moderate his claims later though, so he can always point to the more moderate version and say "hey, that's not what I was saying at the end". It doesn't really matter if he's vocal about it. As it is, he's known for having a multitude of (sometimes conflicting) stances on issues[6]. I tend to think that lets people choose the stance the agree most with and assume that's what he means, and ignore variations they may not agree with, regardless of when the fall on a timeline.

> So, what can I do? What can any citizen or voter do? What did voters do for Ike, FDR, ..., Lincoln, ... Washington?

Look at past public (governmental) service. Washington was a general in the revolution, and a leading figure. Lincoln was a Congressman. FDR was a Senator. Each had quite a while in public service before becoming President. I think that's a very important way to determine what type of politician one will be as President, because I don't think high level political offices like all these listed are like any other job. The pressures are different, the power is different. I would have much fewer reservations about Trump if he'd been in some public office for a while and his behavior there could be used to counteract his public persona, which doesn't instill confidence in my regarding his abilities to work with others as a politician.

> After all that, I've got my startup to work on.

Fair enough. Good luck!

1: http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#nilf

2: http://www.bls.gov/bls/cps_fact_sheets/lfp_mock.htm

3: http://qz.com/286213/the-chart-obama-haters-love-most-and-th...

4: http://www.multpl.com/us-gdp-growth-rate/table/by-year

5: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/11/14/more-and-mor...

6: http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/full-list-dona...

Re: Trump

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> they do nothing to indicate if what Trump said was correct. That's right. For plans for the future, being "correct" is asking a bit too much, but we should also have some good audits or at least good details on the plans. I believe that we are quite short on audits or details for Trump's plans for the US with him as POTUS. I've been for Trump since last fall or so, but I know we don't have nearly enough good detail…

> But I believe that the official 5% unemployment rate is lying with statistics It's not lying with statistics, there is a definition for who is considered employed and who isn't. It's important to track who has decided they want to work but aren't (unemployed) compared to those who aren't employed and are not looking (retired, caring for a relative/child). These are well defined terms[1] that are used in the unemplo…

> That she used one isn't damning to me at all.

Well, the biggie issues are (A) she had some super woop de do top, top, top secret info in some of those e-mails and (B) it appears that, via some sloppy password handling, etc. her e-mail server was easy to hack. And it may have been hackable otherwise. The combination of (A) and (B) could be much worse than awful: E.g., from the info in her e-mails, Russia, China, NK, Iran, etc. could ask "How the heck did the US know THAT? We have a leak, human intel, spies, electronics, something, and we need to discover what and plug it." If we had spies, then they could be killed or rendered useless. Supposedly some of the info in her e-mail traffic was really bad to let out.

One point you made is that for better vetting Trump, we should have seen him for some years in public service. With the generally low opinion of politicians, maybe we are not missing much, but you may be correct. E.g., in the eyes of the Republican party voters, Trump just totally knocked the socks off 16 politicians with histories of public service in politics. That is, the voters didn't think much of the records in public service of Jeb!, Rubio, Cruz, etc. Obama was an IL state senator and then a US senator -- hmm.

For an example of what you did suggest, I REALLY like my Congressman Dr. Chris Gibson, Colonel US Army, Retired, but he is resigning as he promised in his self-enforced term limits to teach. I want him for VP.

On sloppy management standards, you may have a point: Trump is promising to relax a lot of regulations, rules, etc. E.g., for the EPA, he says that he wants clean water and air. While I regard the EPA as infested with radical, OCD, earth-worship Greenie psycho, sicko, wackos, and maybe used by Obama for shakedowns, we've done a lot to clean up the environment beyond just water and air. If Trump is as sloppy managing government projects that might add dirt to the environment as he was managing TU, that could be bad. But, again, TU was business -- intended to be a profit making for-profit educational venture.

I don't know why the heck Hillary is in politics. Maybe as a college sophomore coed she wanted to save the world, but that was a long time ago. In some ways she's just really bright, but somehow it appears that still she's disconnected from reality, so much that she is unable to be effective and, instead, is just dangerous, from HillaryCare, ..., Benghazi, her speeches, Clinton Global Initiative, etc. Tough to believe that someone could be so bright in some respects but such a train wreck in others, and it took me a long time where I "paid full tuition" to understand that about humans, but it's fully true: It's fully believable and, sadly, not very surprising that she can be really bright but, still, in a lot of the rest of life, just a train wreck -- which to me it looks like she is.

I don't think that Trump is a racist, xenophobe, or misogynist, but you have raised some interesting respects for which Trump should be vetted. Sadly, the media won't do that.

For a recession, sure, the official definition is for the time on the way down, three quarters in a row of less GDP or some such. Then once the GDP quits falling, we say that the recession is over! Lying with statistics, or at least with a goofy definition. For the people, we are out of a recession when the GDP gets back where it was. With that definition, we are still in the recession of 2008, and that is serious because a lot of people are hurting. Also it's serious because 2008 was 8 years ago, and the Great Depression lasted only 12 years. Net, Obama hasn't known how the heck to get us out of the Great Recession.

My impression of the employment situation is that it sucks, that is, with some exceptions that apply to only a tiny fraction of the population, it's nearly impossible for a person to be hired, say, to support a family -- high school graduate, college graduate, professional school graduate, mid career middle class worker, etc. For another sign of a sick economy, the birth rate is too darned low -- literally we are going extinct. That is, family formation sucks. From all the data I've seen, the fraction of the work force that wants a job but can't find one is somewhere in 20-35%. That's a Great Depression number. The only reason we are not in a Second Great Depression is massive fiscal stimulus, massive monetary stimulus, and the social safety net.

E.g., GDP is hardly growing. But, there is more: We are now so afraid of the banking system blowing bubbles that the banking regulators have nearly put commercial banking out of business. In a sense, it appears that we are going for a cash instead of a credit economy. One thing Trump can do to get the economy going is to get banking regulations like they were before the more recent changes.

Here is some good news: Since Ike, we in the US have suffered terribly from a lot of really totally brain dead POTUS decisions: Viet Nam. Fumbling with the oil crisis. The inflation that caused the S&L crisis and the 22% interest rates. The bubble blowing of 2000 and 2008. If Trump is correct, the horrible trade deals, e.g., NAFTA, letting China into the WTO, and just playing pocket pool as our trade deficits soared, plants closed, etc. Then the Greenie nonsense. Then Gulf War II. Then ObamaCare. Sarbanes-Oxley and killing off our commercial banking system. The open borders nonsense.

We could be a LOT better off if we just quit being so just totally brain-dead stupid. All of that is well within what can be fixed with just Trump's common sense.

There is another way to get the economy going: Send everyone a check for $1000. Wait one quarter. If that wasn't enough, then do it again. Soon enough it will work.

To me, especially after Trump's speech this week on Clinton cash, Benghazi, e-mail, etc., it's Trump in the White House in January. Okay. Now maybe the thing to do is to vet the heck out of him and, starting in January, monitor the heck out of him. Too bad the mainstream media, even when they hate Trump for whatever reasons, can't write meaningful material on Trump. Your writing, since you do give some references, although not all of those references make solid cases, is much better than the MSM.

We put up with the disasters of Obama, W, and Clinton. We might do really well with Trump.

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Taken in context that quote is not very shocking and certainly wasn't racist. Moreover he clarified his remarks the very next day. Trump's remarks about the judge are racist in any context and he repeated them for several days. It's rather disingenuous to compare this to Trump and suggest that it's even in the same league as what Trump said.

I've read many times that what Trump said about the judge was racist. IMHO, the solid, primary sources do not support that claim. I do intend to post to this thread a response to Altman's post where I give details, but to me the Trump-judge thing went through three steps: Step 1. Trump asserted that the judge made some unfair decisions against Trump. Maybe Trump was just blowing smoke as part of a good defense, but m…

"Or, Trump never claimed that a judge with Mexican ancestry would have to be unfair."

Sure he did. Then he doubled down on it by saying a Muslim Judge might be unfair, too. I'm not sure how anybody could fail to see racism here.

   DICKERSON: If it were a Muslim judge, would you also feel like they wouldn't be able to treat you fairly because of that policy of yours?

   TRUMP: It's possible, yes. Yeah. That would be possible, absolutely.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06...

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I am no fan of Trump (in fact, I think selecting Trump is a huge problem for Republican party and he's one of the worst candidates the GOP had lately), but the post seems to be repeatedly confusing actual Trump with media myth of Trump (not uncommon among both supporters and detractors, and somewhat excusable given how much media manipulation Trump engages in). No, Trump did not blame Obama in Orlando shooting. No, T…

I agree with your "factual" statements about Trump, but keep in mind, the media is trying to hold him accountable not just for what he said, but for what he meant to say. Rubio didnt say Trump had a small penis, he just implied it. Saying Rubio never actually said that, in my view, is more dishonest than missquoting him with actually saying it. Trump, being a presumptive nominee has a really big megaphone. He should…

> Rubio didnt say Trump had a small penis, he just implied it

I don't believe Rubio ever talked about any such details of Trump's anatomy, and it would be really bizarre circumstance for him to have or claim any knowledge of the subject. It is Trump alone who brought attention to this subject, and the only reason I can see for it is because Trump thinks it contributes to his macho image.

> When he says, Obama has something else going on,

He means Obama is too soft on Islamic terrorism. It may be true or false but this is way separated from saying Obama is involved in actually organizing specific terror attack, which is batshit insane. The difference is like between saying intelligence mishaps and incompetence during Bush's administration that allowed 9/11 to happen are Bush's fault and saying Bush personally orchestrated events of 9/11.

> Trump doesn't, he doubles down.

That's his media strategy. There's no bad press. And the press falls for it hook, line and sinker, and on the way exaggerates and inflates everything Trump said by order of magnitude. This leads to two thinks: a) Trump's media coverage is overwhelming, and it costs literally nothing to him and b) it's no longer possible to distinguish which outrageous story about Trump is true and which is not, which numbs people to anything outrageous Trump may actually say. Plus, every time somebody calls Trump out on a real outrage, he can cite a fake outrage as a proof the press is out to get him, and thus blunt the effect of a real thing.

Trump has responsibility for it, but the press falling for it and helping him to perform this strategy - while thinking they are heroically fighting Trump - has equal, if not greater, responsibility - Trump is expected to behave selfishly, they are expected to be the counterbalance for such behavior, not the amplifier of it.

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> The SSA pays out something like $870 billion per year (2015) with fewer than 70 thousand employees You sound like these employees produce those $870 billion. In fact they take them from one set of people and send them to another set of people. Getting handsome pay, union benefits, pensions and what not on the way. > That's way better than most private charities. Charities do not have IRS, FBI and the police to jail…

There is clearly value generated by the right kind of distribution. Anyone who doesn't admit that hasn't thought about the role of middlemen, and isn't being intellectually honest in their economic thinking.

There's big difference between distribution from willing sellers to willing buyers and forcible taking and redistribution at the whim of the distributing bureaucracy. If a middleman took the good from wholesale sellers by force and then shipped it to where they liked, we'd call it a gangster organization.
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