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Re: iPhone Sales Drop, and Apple’s 13-Year Surge Ebbs

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Post by coldtea »

aetherson wrote: post #376
coldtea wrote: post #342

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> I'll say this: Amazon Echo cut Apple's growth balls right off. That's a $2b revenue business Siri can kiss goodbye. $2b is spare change for Apple -- I don't see Echo going places anyway, it will end more or less like the Kindle is now. In fact, Amazon's whole profit was around $100 million last year -- and it's the first year it ever had any profit IIRC. I don't see those $100 million profit per year threatening th…

If you're talking about "threats," I don't see what retained earnings have to do with anything. Amazon's revenue is roughly half of what Apple's is -- Amazon is significantly smaller, but it's in same ballpark as Apple, not orders of magnitude smaller. Amazon prices its products for thin margins and aggressively moves into new product spaces (sometimes with spectacular failures). Apple prices its products for thick m…

>Amazon prices its products for thin margins and aggressively moves into new product spaces (sometimes with spectacular failures). Apple prices its products for thick margins and returns a lot of money to investors with stock buybacks. Using profits as a metric to compare these two companies holistically is specious.

I thought capitalism was a for-profit endeavour. Unless Amazon runs as a non-profit, it's just people investing in perpetuity based on pure belief/speculation of imagined future profit (and of course, on actual stock-based profits). Not that different from any pyramid scheme, which is why historically the stock market has periodical bubbles and crashes.

Those kind of rewards for the kind of actual prospects the company has are more or less a speculative bubble, with little basis on objective reality. $600 billion in "cash" on the other hand, that's something to keep you going and to talk about.

Apple could even get to be privately owned company with their buybacks -- Amazon wouldn't even stand a year as one at their churn rate.

>Amazon prices its products for thin margins and aggressively moves into new product spaces

Walmart does thin margins too -- but with huge revenues and profits compared to Amazon.

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Post by Camillo »

TheCoreh wrote: post #356
Camillo wrote: post #353

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Where do you press to do that?

On the left edge of the screen. You can either force press there, or force drag it to the middle of the screen from there.

Oh. I can't really press the edge of the screen, because I use a case (the standard Apple silicone case). It's not impossible, but it's inconvenient.

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Post by hiddencost »

encoderer wrote: post #324
hiddencost wrote: post #266

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So, actually, fun fact, this is false! The stock price doesn't just reflect the amount of money the company has. The stock price reflects the "fully loaded" expected value of that stock. That means it prices in ALL expectations. If the company you buy performs exactly as expected, then you don't actually make any money because you paid the price that reflected those expectations, so whatever dividends the company iss…

I think you're mis-applying the theory here and confusing Return on Risk? No matter what you say, if I buy a stock that expects to earn dividends, and I do earn those dividends, and I've realized a 5% dividend yield, I certainly have made a profit. Now, whether I'm getting return on risk is another thing and very well the answer may be no.

Don't think -so- that I've made a mistake. I can eliminate risk and make the same point:

Suppose you buy a perpetuity, granting $X every year. After 100 years, you'll have 100 times $X more dollars, but you will be worth exactly the same as you were worth before the perpetuity. (This assumes that the market correctly prices the perpetuity so that the expected value of purchasing it is $0).

EDIT:

I'm not talking about "profit" because it's not really a super useful concept here. Having a larger quantity of dollar bills after a period of time does not mean that I've got more value. Trivially, if I have $100 in 1950, and $101 in 2016, I have made a "profit" of $1 but lost a substantial amount in real terms.

I should cite sources and use correct terminology.

Wikipedia provides the following [0]

> The dividend discount model (DDM) is a method of valuing a company's stock price based on the theory that its stock is worth the sum of all of its future dividend payments, discounted back to their present value.[1] In other words, it is used to value stocks based on the net present value of the future dividends.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dividend_discount_model

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Post by Daneel_ »

bobwaycott wrote: post #294
rqebmm wrote: post #28

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To me its real problem is that it's almost indistinct from long-press. Combine that with Apple's poor UX discoverability (I'm looking at you, swipe-from-the-side-to-see-iMessage-timestamps!) and 3D Touch is basically useless.

Weird. I kind of always expected it to be there and found it forever ago. Maybe because I was developing on iOS and knew it was a table/list view, and expected it to have a left-swipe something ?

I'm in this camp too, but not a developer. It just seems like a lot of list views have the slide-left functionality.

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Post by bluefinity »

rosege wrote: post #275
nightski wrote: post #146

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Agreed, this is the exact reason I went with a Moto G. It was under $200 and I tend to be very clumsy. It runs the latest nearly stock Andriod and is a very smooth experience. The only fault I can find is it's camera. So for someone who finds that very important this may not be an option.

I had one - great phone for the price but I found the 1GB mem to be a real limitation - websites would reload if I switched to a dif app then back. I now have an Asus with 4GB - great phone too and also relatively cheap (about a yr old now)

The 16GB version of the current generation has 2GB memory. I got the 8GB (with 1GB memory) originally and ended up selling it and buying the higher-spec version. 2GB is just a much better experience under Android.

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Post by bby »

rdtsc wrote: post #54
JamilD wrote: post #3

The expectation was $2.00 EPS, Apple reported $1.90. AAPL is down in after-hours trading right now, at 95.91 from 104.35 at market close (as of 5:20 PM). This is a significant earnings report as it's the first to break 13 years of continuous growth. Revenue was down 13%. • Q2 EPS: $1.90, down 22% YoY, versus expectations of $1.99 • Q2 revenue: $50.6 billion, down 13% YoY, versus expectations of $52 billion • Gross ma…

> AAPL is essentially in freefall right now, down from 104.35 at market close (~97.00 around 5 PM). It looks like it is just going back to where it was in Feb? (90 or so). I guess if it keeps heading down below that it would be alarming.

feb was a freefall for the world man.

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Post by acqq »

TheEzEzz wrote: post #370
abalone wrote: post #217

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The best 3D touch feature is the trackpad keyboard. It's also very not discoverable (who thinks to force touch the keyboard?) Having said that, 3D touch is far from the only improvement on the 6S. If it didn't have 3D touch I'd still recommend the extra $100 to get MUCH better internals (processor, cameras, touch ID sensor) and a stronger body too.

The trackpad keyboard is huge. It greatly ameliorates how horrible touch keyboards are, and makes editing text not too much of a chore. I'm afraid no one will use it and the feature will get axed.

"In the early betas of iOS 9, Apple had activated this feature for older iPhones. Users would just place both their thumbs on the keyboard and it will act as a trackpad. However, Apple removed this feature for unknown reasons. Right now, no other iPhone other than the 6s and 6s Plus can perform this feature which is really annoying."

http://wccftech.com/turn-keyboard-trackpad-3d-touch-iphone-6...

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Post by glenndebacker »

_nullandnull_ wrote: post #127

I'm not surprised. I think Apple underestimated the demand for the iphone SE 64 GB. Its been out of stock in most stores since it was released. Apple's shareholders should be asking why can't anyone buy it in a store? Also many people don't want wait two weeks to receive their phone when they buy it online.

If I have read it correctly on another newssite, these numbers doesn't include iPhone SE data.

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Post by glenndebacker »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #125
madeofpalk wrote: post #114

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Ignoring of course the fact that the most important parts of Android is not open source (Google Play Services, which is at the centre of a very misguided EU anti trust case), just because Android is 'open' it doesn't mean you can do more things on it. If something is possible on Android that's because of a design decision that Google took. Besides, what happens when you run iNot someone that you can't so on Android?…

The fact that you can load anything outside App store means a lot for advanced users. And I am not talking from OSS perspective. Besides, where have you seen OSS services? It doesn't even make sense.

Sideloading is supported since iOS9. Granted it is not that easy as installing an APK.

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Post by yoodenvranx »

bluefinity wrote: post #385
rosege wrote: post #275

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I had one - great phone for the price but I found the 1GB mem to be a real limitation - websites would reload if I switched to a dif app then back. I now have an Asus with 4GB - great phone too and also relatively cheap (about a yr old now)

The 16GB version of the current generation has 2GB memory. I got the 8GB (with 1GB memory) originally and ended up selling it and buying the higher-spec version. 2GB is just a much better experience under Android.

There is also a version with 16 gb storage and 1 gb RAM.
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