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Hands-On with Microsoft's New Holographic Goggles

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Re: Hands-On with Microsoft's New Holographic Goggles

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Post by jongalloway2 »

rasz_pl wrote: post #254
walod wrote: post #241

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I really hope they get the accurate tracking and depth and getting objects to "stick" where they belong in 3d space correctly, without moving out of place or floating in a wrong way, with quick head movement. If they can do that, most of the battle is won and it will be amazing. Edit: although, of course they'll need some intelligence on the surroundings to identify surfaces and stuff. But imagine like re-decorating…

They didnt, otherwise they would show you eye view instead of third person impression of what its supposed to look like to the user. Most likely it suffers the same shaky snap laggy tracking like every other AR setup.

Peter Bright said it didn't suffer from that - see the Minecraft section of his review: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/hands-on-with-hololen...

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Post by hawleyal »

mattlutze wrote: post #306
imron wrote: post #293

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There are various times in history when vacuum cleaners, cell phones and browsing the web would have made ZERO sense to your non-technical family. People will learn new words that define new things and then suddenly it will seem the most natural thing in the world to call it by that name.

Portable tape players were cool. Then suddenly Sony made one, and we now all (those of us old enough) remember fondly our first or favorite walkman, whether it was and actual Walkman or not. Smart Phones were hot tech, but our non-technical families didn't really get the point until suddenly those "smart phones" were "iPhones". Web searches were a mystical dark art, with all your Alta Vista voodoo, until there was a…

Hologram/holographic is already a word. It has a very specific meaning. It is not a new conjured word like Walkman or Iphone, which were just one implementation of a portable tape player or smart phone.

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Post by Retric »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #325
danmaz74 wrote: post #321

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Browsing the web - yes But vacuum cleaners and and cell phones contain the name the explanation of what they are and do. "augmented reality" doesn't. Holographic... it does a better job, at least for some people.

How does "cell phone" explain anything useful about that particular type of phone? Using the word "cell" for a specific geographic area covered by a particular radio tower is itself a rather vague and general analogy. You could use "cell" for any element of a larger structure or organism I guess, but it wouldn't explain anything specific. "Mobile phone" could have made sense to someone even before the introduction of…

The cell(ular) in cellphone refers to the handoff between cell towers as you move around.

In comparison Radio tends to have a single tower that sends radio waves and does not care about who is listing. The advantage for cellphones is you can reuse the bandwidth from the same small set of frequencies across the country AND maintain a phonecall durring a handoff (where raido keeps forcing you to change stations on a long trip). The issue is the phone's need to rebroadcast their position constantly which eats’ battery life. It's even worse when they fail to connect to a tower as they just keep trying until the battery fails.

Granted, an end user might care, but MMX or SSE mean little to most Intel customers. 'with techron', 'dual turbo', 'LED TV's', 'tessellation', 'electrolytes'

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Post by michaelmachine »

Coincoin wrote: post #205
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #140

I think Microsoft re-branding Augmented reality as "holographic" is hugely impactful and, with the new wave of AR and CV products that are coming onto the market [1] might be the thing that makes people take it seriously. It's just so much easier to explain to people what it is if you say Holographic vs Augmented Reality - even though it is technically wrong. Kudos to MSFT for making that leap. [1] Shameless plug for…

From their marketing material, they pretend they figured a way to fake depth. If true, that would be a huge step compared to classic stereoscopic technologies or other cumbersome devices. However, I doubt this is the case, else they wouldn't just slap this announcement at the end of a boring Windows 10 presentation. I mean, all I could remember about this presentation was: "Windows 10. Windows 10. Windows 10. Windows…

I don't think they are pretending they figured out a way to fake depth, it sounds like they have created a compact head-mounted light field display, which is absolutely a huge step forward. Unlike classic stereoscopic technologies light field displays let your eyes refocus the image because the displays recreate the direction of the from the object as well as the color and intensity. NVIDIA demoed a compact head mounted light field display recently that explains the concept. See it here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8451746

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Post by jongalloway2 »

deagle50 wrote: post #290
dedward wrote: post #226

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Thinking about how our eyes really work - you don't need the same resolution. You only need proper eye tracking and the right amount of resolution in the center of your vision (or wherever). You only need it to render what you are looking at - I'm sitting about 2 feet away from a 27 inch screen.... I'm never looking at the entire thing in such a way that I need all that detail at every point. Sure, I need it to be th…

Great point, MS have been working on Foviated rendering for a long time.

I hadn't heard of that - here's a Microsoft Research video: http://research.microsoft.com/apps/video/dl.aspx?id=173013

Sadly the video player is horrible, and I didn't see this video on YouTube.

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Post by Retric »

dedward wrote: post #224
Coincoin wrote: post #205

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From their marketing material, they pretend they figured a way to fake depth. If true, that would be a huge step compared to classic stereoscopic technologies or other cumbersome devices. However, I doubt this is the case, else they wouldn't just slap this announcement at the end of a boring Windows 10 presentation. I mean, all I could remember about this presentation was: "Windows 10. Windows 10. Windows 10. Windows…

No need to fake it... if you can get the retinal projection accurate enough, with fast enough eye tracking, the depth is as real as anything else you'll see in real life...the goal would be to have it feel completely natural.

You still need to blur objects that should not be in focus or you’re going to get mixed depth information.

EX: http://www.photographyblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06... Now picture an infocus immage behind the blurry background pen's.

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Post by ha292 »

Once again, Microsoft is slow to produce a product.

In this case, the product is a "moonshot" at changing the UI.

No wait, the product is a PR event that just says. "We can innovate too, you know"

If this fails, they will be late again in canceling a VR/Augmented reality product that should not have made it past beta. See Glass, Google.

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Post by mod »

viewer5 wrote: post #369
cmdkeen wrote: post #326

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We Brits also call a cell phone a "mobile phone" which describes perfectly what it is.

In the US, a "mobile phone" is a cordless phone with a base.

As an American, I don't agree.

All the companies are branding as "mobile." I don't think they really even sell household corded phones anymore, we don't have to be specific about them.

If I wanted a corded phone, I think I'd have to use that specific modifier to get one.

Anyway, back to the point--say "mobile phone" to Americans and they know it's a cellular phone.

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Post by machinesofn »

zaroth wrote: post #329

I'm so excited to see this. I cannot wait to try one of these on for the first time. I'm going to bet writing apps for this kit will be a lot of fun . And all the C# .NET developers can say again, thank you Microsoft since they have committed to one platform, one store, all device types. I think it will be a while yet before there are thousands of developers working on this, but it will grow exponentially for a while…

The goofy look is really just an image processing problem. If it has a camera watching the face (I know it has one watching the eyes), it wouldn't be impossible to reconstruct what the face looks like without the goggles.

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Post by mod »

aidenn0 wrote: post #368
losvedir wrote: post #353

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Nah, "hoover" is just your dialect. American here, grew up in CA, and I've never heard or said "hoover". But yeah, I wouldn't say "vacuum" as a method of action unless you really drilled down. (Something about "pump" and "sucking", but I'd have to think for a bit to get to the actual physical "vacuum" aspect of it.)

In Indiana, a lot people said "sweeper" and they "sweeped" the room with it.

Can confirm, Hoosier here.

Also 'clicker' for remote.

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