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Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by SolarNet » Sun, Nov 02, 2014, 12:31 AM UTC

scotty79 wrote: post #254

zorpner wrote: post #193

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The money is not available to you if you receive a contingent offer. Once you accept the offer then the money becomes available to you.

Same for tip4commit. You need to accept the their offer to give you money. Until you do, money is not available to you.

That depends. The difference here is that they are doing the bitcoin equivalent of leaving money on the table after you did unrelated work. Yea you have to reach down to the table and take it. But the IRS is saying until you do something about it, it counts as income because you effectively own it.

But again, lawyers haven't finished discussing all the legal ramifications of crypto-currencies or for that matter the internet in general.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by illuminate » Sun, Nov 02, 2014, 12:33 AM UTC

bduerst wrote: post #263

Ologn wrote: post #220

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> If Bitcoin does fail, a large part of the blame will be one the shoulders of so many software and IT people who make a flash decision that Bitcoin was "tulips" or a "ponzi scheme" Bitcoin is a ponzi scheme. That people think they have any value shows they have a fundamental misunderstanding of value. This group might include a lot of people, but the number of people who owned over-priced houses in 2008, or dot-com…

Bitcon is not a Ponzi scheme, but it is analogous to digital tulips or beanie babies. Of course, that hasn't stopped people from creating ponzi schemes using bitcoins either.

Its evangelists do remind me of Herbalife, at least.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by kancer » Sun, Nov 02, 2014, 12:59 AM UTC

arsenische wrote: post #362

First, I want to apologize. We have received a lot of negative feedback suddenly and I can assure you that we take it seriously. I temporary disabled ALL the email notifications (even though I don't think they were a real problem) and added a warning that we are not affiliated with project owners. When my teammate is online he will probably also some of the other issues. I see a lot of misinformation about tip4commit…

I don't know if this happens often but I would like to take a moment and point out that after hearing a strong negative reaponse, It's nice to see that the developer is willing to work through the problems with the community to change his/her project to a better state.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by ubernostrum » Sun, Nov 02, 2014, 1:00 AM UTC

LyndsySimon wrote: post #366

twa927 wrote: post #365

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I think that implementing "opt-in" is the natural solution and yet the maintainer writes that it will "brake everything". I don't understand this extreme reluctance of Tip4Commit to acknowledge the right of owners of projects to control things tightly related to the projects they own.

For what it's worth, I don't believe maintainers have a moral or legal right to control what happens between third parties - that is, contributors to their project and those who wish to support them. I wouldn't be opposed to implementing opt-out at a project level... but it's not my project.

As I told you on reddit, I'm going through hell trying to opt-out as an individual. I know for a fact that they harvested and have been using information about me from GitHub without my permission and in violation of GitHub's terms of service. Since your comments consistently resort to legalism, how do you resolve that conundrum? I'm honestly trying very hard to not just go with the nuclear option of starting to seek enforcement of service-provider terms to shut down tip4commit, but they aren't exactly leaving tons of other options.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by maxerickson » Sun, Nov 02, 2014, 1:02 AM UTC

LyndsySimon wrote: post #366

twa927 wrote: post #365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that implementing "opt-in" is the natural solution and yet the maintainer writes that it will "brake everything". I don't understand this extreme reluctance of Tip4Commit to acknowledge the right of owners of projects to control things tightly related to the projects they own.

For what it's worth, I don't believe maintainers have a moral or legal right to control what happens between third parties - that is, contributors to their project and those who wish to support them. I wouldn't be opposed to implementing opt-out at a project level... but it's not my project.

I guess they still have a moral right to ask their contributors to be up front about the incentives involved in their contributions (they can't demand disclosure, but they could still refuse contributions where they don't feel they have enough understanding of the incentives involved).

The point being, setting the thing up behind their back brings a lot of risk of poisoning the relationship between the contributor and the project.

Maybe it's stupid for a project to act like that, but once it turns into a hair splitting exercise, you might as well split all of them.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by LyndsySimon » Sun, Nov 02, 2014, 1:03 AM UTC

ubernostrum wrote: post #374

LyndsySimon wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's worth, I don't believe maintainers have a moral or legal right to control what happens between third parties - that is, contributors to their project and those who wish to support them. I wouldn't be opposed to implementing opt-out at a project level... but it's not my project.

As I told you on reddit, I'm going through hell trying to opt-out as an individual . I know for a fact that they harvested and have been using information about me from GitHub without my permission and in violation of GitHub's terms of service. Since your comments consistently resort to legalism, how do you resolve that conundrum? I'm honestly trying very hard to not just go with the nuclear option of starting to see…

If they're violating Github's T&C, that seems like a good place to start. You've obviously given them plenty of notice of your discontent - they've had ample opportunity to work with you to resolve it.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by stfp » Sun, Nov 02, 2014, 1:19 AM UTC

kancer wrote: post #373

arsenische wrote: post #362

First, I want to apologize. We have received a lot of negative feedback suddenly and I can assure you that we take it seriously. I temporary disabled ALL the email notifications (even though I don't think they were a real problem) and added a warning that we are not affiliated with project owners. When my teammate is online he will probably also some of the other issues. I see a lot of misinformation about tip4commit…

I don't know if this happens often but I would like to take a moment and point out that after hearing a strong negative reaponse, It's nice to see that the developer is willing to work through the problems with the community to change his/her project to a better state.

Yup, points and kudos to them for engaging with users/critics.

OTOH, still negative infinite points for even arguing when a maintainer comes in and asks to opt out.

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by geofft » Sun, Nov 02, 2014, 1:20 AM UTC

yxhuvud wrote: post #370

mbesto wrote: post #240

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I think it's fair to say that the vocal majority of BitCoiners have a very naive view of some basic economic concepts.

Well, the vocal majority of EVERYONE has a very naive view of most basic economic concepts.

Fully agreed -- but I'm not trying to do very much with economics other than save money and pay taxes. For the things where I'm trying to act towards specific social change (e.g., privacy and security, in my case) I make an effort to be well-informed about, technically, socially, and legally. I don't have any illusions that the status quo is good, but there are also things that you can't be naive about when changing.

I think there are a lot of broken things about how currency works, but there are also quite a number of good things, and setting the whole thing on fire without understanding which parts are good and why is a recipe for hurting people and also failing to get your idea to succeed.

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html

http://xkcd.com/592/

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by benologist » Sun, Nov 02, 2014, 1:22 AM UTC

arsenische wrote: post #362

First, I want to apologize. We have received a lot of negative feedback suddenly and I can assure you that we take it seriously. I temporary disabled ALL the email notifications (even though I don't think they were a real problem) and added a warning that we are not affiliated with project owners. When my teammate is online he will probably also some of the other issues. I see a lot of misinformation about tip4commit…

Re: Please remove mitsuhiko/*

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Post by wyager » Sun, Nov 02, 2014, 1:29 AM UTC

jevgeni wrote: post #360

wyager wrote: post #352

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>Very few look at volatility That is fair. Do you think this is an insurmountable disadvantage? >and transaction volume. I don't know about that. Bitcoiners have been very vocal about the regularly increasing transaction volume since its inception. See https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions-excluding-popu...

Using Bitcoin is basically, like using a foreign currency, with the only difference, that in case of a the conventional currency you might actually live in the country it is used. In other words, whenever you use Bitcoin you take on FX risk . This means, that Bitcoin is something you wouldn't want to store value in for the long-term. Hedging that risk will also prove a major headache, since there aren't that many Bit…

>This means, that Bitcoin is something you wouldn't want to store value in for the long-term.

I can think of a reason you would want to. Bitcoin is strictly supply-limited, and all fiat currencies are not. One might decide that, despite Bitcoin's volatility, the expected change in unit value over time is higher than that of any (inflationary) fiat currency.