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Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

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There’s already plenty of great practical advice about the how and where to meet new people, so I’d like to offer a different point of view.

Two implied beliefs jump out at me as I’m reading your post:

1. A richer social life and/or a girlfriend will fill my unbearable void

2. I lack the skill or power to enrich my social life or impress a potential romantic partner.

These two points lead me to believe that your pain is a matter of perspective as much as anything else. Let me explain.

You mentioned that on weekends, you’ve done all sorts of activities alone. So have I! Last week, I watched the Miyazaki’s last movie (The Wind Rises) at the Castro Theater by myself, I have breakfast and dinner by myself almost everyday and I take a solo hour-long stroll to the park a couple times a week after work. My point is, being alone is only unbearable if you imagine the grass on the other side to be so vibrantly green that it blinds you to your present reality. I’m not trying to say ‘hey bud, your life is awesome and you’re a fool for not seeing how great it is’. Instead, I want you to consider whether or not having a richer social life is really all that.

Putting an imagined future girlfriend on a pedestal is not only unrealistic, but it can make the present seem like a real drag. And I’m getting the sense that that’s what you’re experiencing. This may not be entirely appropriate here, but there’s a saying (not sure where it’s from) that bluntly gets to the point: “Behind every beautiful woman, there’s a guy who’s tired of fucking her.” Now, finding a beautiful lady to spend your evenings with may not be your big struggle, but the lesson I get out of it is that no singular attainment will complete your life. There are human beings with thousands of friends ands fans who are stricken by loneliness at night.

The unfortunate repercussion of having such a vivid imagination is that the whole situation has been turned into a high-stakes game of poker. Imagine! Your happiness is hanging off the perceived success of your social life. Surely, it’s heart-wrenching to strike up a conversation with a stranger who could potentially grant you happiness in the form of their friendship and acceptance or condemn you to the pain of rejection. Putting such high expectations on having a social life is debilitating. Try seeing it in the same light as opening a jar of pickles. Apply gentle force in the right spots, but if the jar is stubborn, get another jar of pickles. Whatever you do, don’t attach your self-worth to your ability to open that pickle jar!

Making friends is hard, but probably no harder than engineering. It doesn’t take a car, great conversational skills, or even suave. It just takes a tendency to try and a resistance to overthinking it. Many people gravitate towards awkward personalities because beyond it, they see innocence and sensitivity. Some women appreciate men who aren’t helplessly dependent on cars, and I know plenty of explorers who would be eager to hear about your travels upon noticing your accent. It’s short-sighted to see your accent or lack of a car as a problem. There are people who go out of their way to fake an accent because they think it’s cool! Perspective is everything.

I’ll stop here in case I’m making this more about myself than anyone else, but I’ll leave a few practical ideas that could potentially make a big difference at your current junction:

1. Live with strangers. This gives you the opportunity to bond with people on a more intimate level. It’s much easier to get past the chit-chat small-talk phase when you’re living with someone.

Added benefit: save money.

2. Love doing something. It can be intimidating going to meetups thinking you’re doing it to meet other people. Solution: Go because you love the activity. Could be coding, gardening, basketball or lock-picking. If you love the activity more than you dread the feeling of intimidation, then it becomes a no-brainer!

Added benefit: less time to overthink when you’re engaged in a thrilling activity.

3. Stop using Facebook. I have scientifically proven, through self-observation, that I am happier without Facebook than I was with it. Okay fine, there was no science involved, but I remember vividly the feeling of envy as I scrolled through everyone else’s vacation photos. No Longer.

Added benefit: strangers are sometimes interested in hearing about why I don’t use Facebook.

Background: Asian, 25 years old. Freelance software engineer. Introvert. Been living in SF for 3 months and previously in Texas.

If any of this resonates with you, I’m happy to meet up sometime. You can find me on Twitter @hangsu or GitHub (hangsu)

Best Wishes.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

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Here is a lesson I've learned the long, hard way after 30 years of being a strong introvert: it's not how or where you meet people that counts. It's how you stay in touch. Look around you. Every day, in every situation imaginable, there are hundreds of ways to meet people. There really are. You could strike up a conversation with a stranger on a subway. You could ask for some advice from the girl ahead of you in line…

So many of the things you said rang true for me. "If you're a true introvert, your biggest enemy is yourself." I was very shy when I was younger, I spent most of my time in High School by myself, and there were some very uncomfortable times, but looking back I was fine being by myself. I preferred, and still do, single-player games to anything else. I like watching movies and listening to music on my own or in a small group. I feel like I can absorb things and enjoy them better that way.

In High School it made me self conscience because everyone expects you to have friends. Those "find a lab partner" moments were awful.

There's nothing wrong with being an introvert if that's how you like to do things, but like you said, if you don't reach out to anyone, they aren't likely to reach out to you. Friendships take more than one person to work.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#373

Here's my thoughts, as someone who's naturally shy, socially awkward (or maybe just plain weird), and loaded with anxiety issues. Start small. Don't try to make friends at first, just practice interacting with people. Ask totally random people questions you can Google. Is the 6 train running on time today? Is this the way to Market Street? Do you know a good coffee shop around here? Ask people in social situations pe…

These are some great ideas. For me the proximity part is key. I feel uncomfortable at a new job for a couple of months, but after enough awkward small talk I've gotten to know everyone well. Working in software you are bound to have similar interests with your co-workers.

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

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So my advice will be be proud of yourself , the basic is not having charisma but make people thinking you have it.

Learn things , works with people and interact with them.

Find things that you like and work for free for peoples or associations.

Also learn things , live fully, make experiences (as urbex you can do it by solo). Living extraordinary things will help you to get in touch with people, or people who share the same experience.

Find hobby and share also.

It will not be easy , but you will learn from your mistakes.

I wish you good like and if you come to paris drop me an email bussiere AT gmail.com :)

I can make you visit some extra ordinary places or event :)

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#375

So my advice will be be proud of yourself , the basic is not having charisma but make people thinking you have it. Learn things , works with people and interact with them. Find things that you like and work for free for peoples or associations. Also learn things , live fully, make experiences (as urbex you can do it by solo). Living extraordinary things will help you to get in touch with people, or people who share t…

good luck dam

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#376

Here is a lesson I've learned the long, hard way after 30 years of being a strong introvert: it's not how or where you meet people that counts. It's how you stay in touch. Look around you. Every day, in every situation imaginable, there are hundreds of ways to meet people. There really are. You could strike up a conversation with a stranger on a subway. You could ask for some advice from the girl ahead of you in line…

+1, really has no comments, completely agree, down vote at will...

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I have learned the art of being incredibly outgoing and a veritable chatterbox when need be." How did you learn ?

Like any skill, I'd suggest this requires practice. One way I found as an introvert was to join Toastmasters. I don't have a big fear of public speaking—I can do it if I have to, but being in practice makes a huge difference. I've seen incredible improvement in people after 3 or 4 speeches. Most clubs will have a social aspect and might gather for drinks afterwards. It makes a good way to practice smalltalk and keep…

I second Toastmasters. It's good for speaking skills too http://www.manager-tools.com/2011/06/coaching-presentation-s...

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

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Having suffered this, I will comment based on what I've done that I feel works. - Join social groups. I went on Meetup, local college sites, did Google searches for things I was interested in by area, went to logical hangouts for that stuff (gaming shops, hobby shops, maker hangouts, ect...) If you are diligent, you will soon find yourself with more to do than you have time for. - Rarely say no. If you are hesitant o…

Re: Get in shape - there's Planet Granite nearby, it worth checking out, signing up for some classes.

http://www.planetgranite.com/locations/belmont/bl_hoursanddi...

Re: How can an introvert Asian engineer like me make friends?

#380
Life is an RPG, play it.

Grind your stats.

Strength: Find an activity you enjoy that also gets you active. Rock climbing, biking, golf, ultimate frisbee, kite flying. Something you love doing solo.

Wisdom: When I'm learning a new language, I watch shows with English subtitles so that I can hear word usage. If you can find a kids show you can tolerate, it's better because you get a bit simpler sentence structure. So watch our TV with subtitles you understand fluently. Also read in English, fiction or non-fiction but nothing technical, start with kids' books, work your way up. Read with a dictionary at your side and look up every word you don't know. Set alarms on your phone and email if you need to be reminded to turn off the computer and go outside. Also try siteblocking everything that isn't essential to life.

Charisma: It can be easier to speak openly when you're not facing the other person. Sitting or walking or riding bikes side by side, you don't have to focus on their physical cues as much, and you can chat casually. One thing that PUA's do that's valuable is grinding out that part of your brain that worries about what other people think. Just grind it the fuck out, have conversations and fail. If you're weird, let the weirdness show.

Dexterity: Women like a man who's good with his hands. Building skill in something physical - carving wood, a sport, magic tricks - builds confidence.

Intelligence: You're an engineer, so engineer your way out of this. Don't overthink every moment, but hack your social functions. Try to notice the subconscious rules you operate on, if you have the money talk to a therapist for a few sessions. It can be very helpful to have an intelligent and objective expert point out your blind spots to you so you can work on them and balance for them.

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