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Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

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Re: Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

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The closest option is XMPP. Unfortunately it's suffered an extreme case of scope creep. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMPP

And it's shit for mobile.

It's no more shit for mobile than the HTTP+JSON "protocols" people ship every day.

Re: Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

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This is just sick. Does at least some tax apply to such transactions in the US? Or think what the Gates Founation woul dbe able to do with just, say, a quarter of this money.

From reading Gates' annual letter, it doesn't sound like a whole lot would change with that bit of extra money. The things they want to do, like vaccinate multiple continents, take orders of magnitude more money than they have.

Not saying it wouldn't be good or nice, but I don't think we'd see a noticeable difference. After all, they could always step up their spending from, what, $4BN a year?

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To be fair, WhatsApp has an incredible number of very active users. It's not like the companies in 1998/99 which had no revenue, no users, but spent millions on Super Bowl ads. That said, this is a staggering amount to pay. I'm not familiar with Facebook's financials, but I'm surprised they could even afford this. I'd chalk this up to Zuckerberg's paranoia about no longer being #1 and less to a bubble.

> It's not like the companies in 1998/99 which had no revenue, no users, but spent millions on Super Bowl ads. It's not? They had users back then, too.

I do not know who "they" is referring to in this post.

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Anyone else think the "users" obsession smells an awful lot like the "eyeballs" obsession?

Oh but these companies have revenue? WhatsApp and Snapchat have no meaningful revenue in comparison to their valuations. And the companies with revenue, are being valued at insane multiples (infinity for Twitter, 85 to 100 times for Facebook, 800 or so times for LinkedIn).

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Sequoia just landed a 5x return on their fund with this one deal. At a rough guess, they put in $8m for 15% of the company in 2011, valuing it at around $53m. A $16B sale is a 300x increase in value, so Sequoia's stake is worth $2.4bn. Their standard fund size is around $500m. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/16/us-sequoia-funds-i...

I hope those guys do something interesting with their billions. But so far the only billionaires that realize the power of a billion dollars in personal capital seem to be Elon Musk and Peter Thiel.

Re: Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

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400,000,000 active users [0] 16,000,000,000 USD ---- $40 per user That's an incredible cost. We can assume Facebook is paying for the userbase, the app itself and it's infrastructure would basically run itself. It's less appealing when you realise that there's probably a miniscule fraction of WhatsApp users that don't have a Facebook account. > WhatsApp will remain autonomous and operate independently. You can contin…

I have trouble imagining that infrastructure supporting 400M users "runs itself".

Re: Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

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And what's the point of it? They already have a working push messaging infrastructure for 1+ Billion people.

Yeah, at a minimum they should have been able to lower the price by threatening to make the exact WhatsApp functionality a subset of Facebook. (A page out of Microsoft's play book.) Edit: The Facebook Messenger has the features of WhatsApp already?! News to me, so you have a point re FB advertisement. :-)

Well it is already. The Facebook Messenger app. They bought Beluga in 2011 who produced that app originally. It's just that Facebook seems to have no Marketing folks, nor budget, nor strategy. So it never caught on and Whatsapp sailed past.
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