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Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Government is a parasite that protects its own interests. It defends itself against you, and to do that, must neutralize anyone who does not do exactly what it wants.

The solution is to overthrow government and replace it with organic power structures. Most people are afraid to do this however. It insults their sense of autonomy and uniqueness.

Thus for the sake of pretense, we continue with this idiocy.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

#372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What happens to cops who condemn other cops? They get their concerns treated seriously by responsible professionals who's work tirelessly to keep everything at the department above board. [1] [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft

I'd like to believe you (I really would), but you've made quite the extrapolation here, given one single link to a Wikipedia article about a guy who once succeeded at routing some bad police.

I think that must have been sarcasm; because NYPD treated Schoolcraft badly, and reacted badly to his reports. Also, how many links and sources do you need?

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bit more clarification. Miranda isn't ever required , however anything you say to them before having been read you rights cannot be used against you in court, nor can evidence acquired as a result of what you said (with exceptions for both cases).

A bit more clarification still: Anything you say to them while in custody cannot be used unless you have been Mirandized.

Even more clarification: never talk to police. Give your name, ask for a lawyer.

I'm sure there's a few lawyers out there who think that even giving your name is too much of a risk.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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post #195

My girlfriend lives right there. We go to that bar sometimes. She recently broke her elbow on a bike accident. We would of called 911 in the same situation. This could of easily been me and her. Wow. What can I do!?

You call the cops/ambulance. This one experience, even if 100% true, is not necessarily indicative of the entire system.

...Right

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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post #46

After reading the first paragraph I already knew where this was headed. White America welcome to black America. You'll be arrested for nothing at all. The first time it happens you'll be really upset and threaten to sue, and file a police report. And when you do there will be some sort of roadblock, they won't have the forms, the officer in question wasn't on shift that night, the detective is quite hostile to you, t…

As a black programmer, I remember the cliche about problems and regular expressions in my head as "regular expressions are like calling the cops." That's unfair to regular expressions, though, because I actually have seen them solve a problem before. Cops improving a situation? Never seen it.

> "...Cops improving a situation? Never seen it." I suspect that's really just an emotional lashing-out at a pervasive problem. But if it's not, I assure you - I have seen cops improve a situation, and I'm certain that others have too. I might be biased from watching cops running into the chaos of 9/11, while I was running away from it. Or from having my family protected from crazy, violent people while I was busy and oblivious at work. To be clear, I'm no police-state apologist, and I know there are vile sociopaths attracted to positions of power and authority - but I've also met some pretty OK cops who really mean to help people, and often do. I'm just saying.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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post #309

This is a perfect example of the disconnect between "hackers" and the real world. I consider myself part of the HN community because I hope for a society shaped by its ideals, but the real world is so far removed that time spent here becomes more of a therapeutic escape than anything else. I strongly recommend people study history, and understand human nature at both scientific and societal levels. There is too much…

The highest class in this country creates this reality. There is no police state if there is not economy to protect. There is not economy to protect if there's not huge multinational corporations. Legal violence is a tool used indirectly by the largest players in the economy.

Police and militaries preserve order which reduces risk to highly invested economic interests; it helps keep the growth curve slowly moving up and to the right.

As fucked up as that whole situation was, it's born out of a massive economic disparity and not a "deluded hacker" mentality.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

#377

I know Peretz personally and he's one of the most rational people I've ever met. There's some question as to whether he should've left the scene or not and I think there's some discussion to be had there, but what happened afterwards is unquestionably wrong. This is who the police stripped naked and put in jail: http://www.brandeis.edu/magazine/2013/spring/featured-storie... This is not a person we should fear. I und…

> There's some question as to whether he should've left the scene or not and I think there's some discussion to be had there

The question here is the same question we face with the TSA:

Separating actual threats from threats to someone's personal perception of their own authority.

The author wasn't a threat. The cop screwed up. Then again, you'll never get 100% good people, and so there are going to be some screwup cops. I wish I could say our office was 100% solid. But you always get a few.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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post #46

After reading the first paragraph I already knew where this was headed. White America welcome to black America. You'll be arrested for nothing at all. The first time it happens you'll be really upset and threaten to sue, and file a police report. And when you do there will be some sort of roadblock, they won't have the forms, the officer in question wasn't on shift that night, the detective is quite hostile to you, t…

As a black programmer, I remember the cliche about problems and regular expressions in my head as "regular expressions are like calling the cops." That's unfair to regular expressions, though, because I actually have seen them solve a problem before. Cops improving a situation? Never seen it.

Brilliant.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"There's some question as to whether he should've left the scene or not and I think there's some discussion to be had there" What a weird place America must be.

There's a ton of law around 'lawful orders' by the police, and how a citizen is supposed to respond to them. Ignoring everything else (please), George Zimmerman was accused of not following a 911 operator's "lawful order" to leave the scene. While I think most of America would have been happy for him to have heeded that device, it is not necessarily a 'lawful order', unless there was a reason for him not to have been…

Unlike the author here, Trayvon Martin was an actual bad actor.
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