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Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

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People die and lose their limbs, and your first move is apparently crying about how the government takes away your nail clippers.

Harsh as it may be, the people dying and losing their limbs will have no direct impact on my life, or on most other people's lives. It's a tragedy for their friends and loved ones, but I'm not in that group, so it's a very abstract thing - I feel bad, but it won't affect me personally. Losing freedom has the potential to affect me personally, so I'm more concerned about it. And I don't necessarily agree it's too earl…

> And I don't necessarily agree it's too early to discus the consequences of this. The authorities on the scene are handling the immediate situation, and there's very little to be done from 2K miles away.

I agree. Chance are, the friends and family who are directly affected by this aren't going to be trawling through comments on HN--there are more pressing concerns.

The rest of us, and maybe this will sound equally harsh, need to divorce ourselves from the emotional impact if there's nothing we can do (or donate to the appropriate organizations if so inclined). Right now, there's little that can be done, and even less information still. That leaves the most objective option as what we're doing right now: That is to say the discussion of potential policy changes.

I'm not sure this event is significant enough to affect anything on a large scale (e.g. TSA on every street corner), but you do have to wonder what changes might be made to future marathons as a consequence. I don't necessarily think that's harsh as much as it is objective.

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

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This photo is amazing. https://twitter.com/BGlobeSports/status/323889004246343681/p...

To me it looks like they didn't really know what to do at this moment. What is the standard police procedure?

This is mere seconds after the explosion took place, with the smoke still drifting through the air. Already they've made it to the side of the most obvious casualty; I can't really see the basis for your comment.

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

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post #297

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Honestly, WTF are you talking about? The Harrods bombing, the Lloyds building, Eniskillen were all aimed at civilians. Take your biased ignorance elsewhere please.

The police were notified about the Lloyds / Bishopsgate bombing and the Harrods bombing by the IRA, who has a long history of doing that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Bishopsgate_bombing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrods_bombing The Eniskillen bomb was aimed at British soldiers and thus no warning was given. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day_bombing

10 out of the 11 killed at Eniskillen were civilians.

3 out of 3 killed in the Harrods bombing were civilians.

How many civilians were kneecapped or murdered in Eire and NI?

But sure, go ahead and believe that the P/IRA were the good sort of terrorists.

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

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Edit: Boston police reporting at least 2 dead, 22 injured and 10 people losing limbs. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/15/explosion-reported-near... Looks like there were two explosions. Picture: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BH6fCgFCQAERWMB.jpg:large More details http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/metro/Explosions-reported-nea... "Witnesses said several victims lost limbs, and the area was being evacuated. Many of the in…

The Boston Globe ‏@BostonGlobe 34s BREAKING NEWS: Police getting multiple reports of unexploded devices around Boston 3.38 pm Central time. Update: The Boston Globe ‏@BostonGlobe 28s RT @billy_baker: "It's not safe to be here." - Boston Police evacuating Commonwealth Avenue mall at Gloucester. 3.45 Central time. Update: The Boston Globe ‏@BostonGlobe 1m Boston Police: If anyone knows of any information call about exp…

Has any named official confirmed the cell service shutdown? I'm hearing the opposite.

The original shutdown report I heard was attributed to an unnamed BPD source. This is obviously a particularly easy rumor to spread when the networks are all jammed up with callers.

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

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To be quite honest, me too. I expected it to just be background radiation: I too feel badly, conflicted and confused. I didn't expect this. Sitting at the top like that it really does start to look like soap-boxing or attention whoring. Apologies all, I really didn't mean it that way.

Well stop agonizing about it and delete it then. I'm not saying that to be snarky, I'm pointing out that it's something useful you can do right now to get it off the top of the page.

That doesn't accomplish anything useful. A day or two from now, someone who hasn't yet seen the thread will wonder what the "deleted" part of the conversation was for.

The best thing to do if you disagree with the position of the OP's comment is to upvote other siblings. Personally, I think this discussion is interesting because it addresses in real time the implications of what this attack might be (if any).

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

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post #222

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There's no way to prevent every crisis. Just because something bad happens doesn't mean that there is something that you could have done to stop it. Sometimes people just need to realize that things happen and we don't have to pass new laws and regulations every time something bad happens.

Try saying that when you are directly affected by actions like this. It is easy to stand back at 100ft and say this type of crap, but the fact is, crazy people are all around us, and we should try to be proactive instead of reactive. We as a society owe it ourselves to reflect on events such as this, and see if there was anything that could have been done to prevent it. If the answer is yes, then we SHOULD act. Does…

"No, it could mean better technology, maybe better security, maybe MORE security."

Is it cold to point out that we are already living in an age of more security? There were paramilitary police teams at the marathon, ready to take on a small army -- but the attackers found a way to plant their bombs anyway.

When the TSA was established and billions of dollars were spent on securing our airlines, a tiny minority of people were saying that if another attack occurred it would not be on an airplane. Now we have seen another attack, it was not on an airplane nor anywhere near an airport. We do no need another massive security bureaucracy designed to prevent marathons or city streets from being attacked, because that will just push terrorists to attack something else. There are far too many ways to attack a country as large and developed as the United States to have a sprawling bureaucracy for all of them.

"I hope no new laws come of something like this, but if it means reducing the chance that this happens again, I am all for it."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_by_whiskey

"We can't let ourselves become 1984, but we can become safer, smarter, more efficient with regards to security."

Every time we become "more efficient" about domestic security, we sacrifice our rights. What makes you think this time will be different?

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

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post #168

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If you are feeling bad, why are you saying it? This feels like you are standing on a soapbox and it's hard to think you are actually sorry for it when you are doing it intentionally.

I'm just a dude facing a big stab of mental dissonance right now. I'm not trying to push a political agenda. My brother ran in and finished the marathon last year. I didn't make it out to see him and I wish I had. So the first thing I feel is dread, it takes a moment to resolve that he wasn't there, and then I think will I ever be able to get close enough to reach out my hand to him as he comes down the final stretch…

> Will it be all police cars, dogs and jersey walls from here on out?

The video from the camera man on the ground at the finish line shows countless cops at the finish line. All that police presence did not prevent the detonation.

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

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Since the news is bad for me and ignoring it would make me happier, should I just forget about it?

My take on that article was to find some middle ground.

It makes sense to at least be informed of the latest news but there's no need to keep compulsively checking news websites while they are in full "Death Toll" mode. It's probably best to wait 24 hours until a clearer story is available.

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

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Authorities ID suspect as Saudi national in marathon bombings, under guard at Boston hospital http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/authorities_under_susp... EDIT: Two media outlets reporting conflicting information, so not sure if this is reliable information.

The NY Post is the only one reporting this, and they're not exactly known for accuracy.

I was about to argue that making something up about this was beyond the level of inaccuracy that NyPost might stoop to, but then I realized I do not know. I guess we will find out soon enough.
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