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Hacker wipes Romania's land registry database

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Re: Hacker wipes Romania's land registry database

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Same thing is rampant in other Eastern European countries as well. Tips on how to address this for those of us that are publicly minded?

Use EU funds to build it then tip the EPPO when they defraud the funds?

Many many many contracts and systems refuse to use EU funds exactly because of this - they become traceable.

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> Since the hack, officials restored their website and posted a message announcing they are rebuilding the agency's entire network from scratch. Even if the hacker claims they deleted backups, the agency appears to have had an offline copy, otherwise things would have gotten really messy over the coming months in Romania. So it seems not all has been lost. I was worried about the societal implications of being unable…

About 15% of the UK's land parcels are not in any land registry database, because recording there only became compulsory in 1990, so if an event like a sale/morgtage didn't happen to a property since then, it might not be registered. Regardless of the land registry, the ownership can still easily be proven.

Re: Hacker wipes Romania's land registry database

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As a Romanian I can tell you that most of the corruption happens through "dedicated contracts", or outright syphoning. In this case I expect an underpaid employee, and at most an incompetent nephew of someone. They had no reason to have an .authorized_keys file in the webroot of the website, and yet they did. If you want to know what "dedicated contracts" look like in practice they are overly specific requirements th…

If it is any consolation, this kind of corruption exists in many countries. I don’t know how to fix this, but corruption always finds creative ways. Here is one I learned recently - govt started issuing birth certificates online. Hopefully Less corruption, right? Officials made deliberate spelling mistakes in names etc, because you have to go in person for corrections. In person means bribe, which means back to same…

yeah, i know that this exact thing happens in Switzerland a lot. arbitrary requirements which make sure that only one specific company will be able to deliver.

Re: Hacker wipes Romania's land registry database

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> Since the hack, officials restored their website and posted a message announcing they are rebuilding the agency's entire network from scratch. Even if the hacker claims they deleted backups, the agency appears to have had an offline copy, otherwise things would have gotten really messy over the coming months in Romania. So it seems not all has been lost. I was worried about the societal implications of being unable…

Romania is not very digitalized, and it still has a lot of paper bureaucracy. Even if the digital records were completely lost, they still have the paper ones. > being unable to prove land ownership People know who owns what, there are also paper contracts of ownership which are more authoritative than the digital records.

Reconstructing that archive from the records would be close to impossible. The documents they issue and banks/notaries and others have have 30 day expires. In theory most of these documents are issued on sale / mortgages / loans against these type of assets. Both notaries and banks have their own record system - I don't think there's a common system they all use, for notaries I'm not sure if they keep electronic records of these papers .. the system that was hacked was supposed to be it.

Re: Hacker wipes Romania's land registry database

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Any guidelines on how to back up such that the attacker cannot reach (when the hacker otherwise had some valid credentials)?

This is how we implemented this at our company: - We have 2 sources of data that we must backup to continue existing as a business; our postgres and binary files in S3. Everything else is derivable (elasticsearch, so on). - For postgres, we use barman. With the help of opus/fable, you can get a streaming replication backup working in no time. We have one into another server in the same datacenter (we use baremetal) a…

You need something that's not online or at least not with credentials and devices the Devs and operations people use.

The worst case is the company itself denying you access. More likely to happen with Google.

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I suppose the idea could be that you have several different institutions holding the same data, which they know is valid because of the Blockchain.

No. Blockchain is made for managing transactions between untrusted parties. In case with a land, there is an authority managing the registry, so a standard relational DB (with optional digital signatures) is the bets option. Why someone wants to use a tool, not good for a specific purpose, for that exact purpose?

"X is made for Y" is inside-the-box thinking

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I'd say form an IT firm and bid on government contracts and do honest work, but we all know how that goes in reality. Honest workers don't get the contracts. You can still try, though.

I'm sure it's obvious to anyone living in a corrupt/oppressive regime, but in case it's not obvious to everyone. Corruption and oppression are signaling and coordination problems. The illegitimate sovereign is exploiting informational assymmetry: they know your neighbors are just as angry as you, they know it because all the walls have ears. They need to prevent you and your neighbors all knowing it at the same time.…

Are high prices really that bad for the sovereign? Most of them seem to just blame some scapegoat and it works. Remember how Germany responded to hyperinflation?

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Any guidelines on how to back up such that the attacker cannot reach (when the hacker otherwise had some valid credentials)?

This is how we implemented this at our company: - We have 2 sources of data that we must backup to continue existing as a business; our postgres and binary files in S3. Everything else is derivable (elasticsearch, so on). - For postgres, we use barman. With the help of opus/fable, you can get a streaming replication backup working in no time. We have one into another server in the same datacenter (we use baremetal) a…

So if a hacker infiltrated your system and silently fed plausable but wrong data into your databases for 10 days, your whole system would be screwed?

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Security firm KELA... has doxxed the hacker as Zakaria Mahdjoub, an individual from Oran, Algeria. If I was an evil hacker, I would only hack countries my country hated or did not have extradition agreements with. Like the Russian hackers do. Algeria has a extradition treaty with Romania: https://periodicos.processus.com.br/index.php/egjf/article/v...

Or just have Opsec.

I think there are very few hackers in the world who can hack a national government and not get identified, as the budgets and resources at the state level are enormous, and include ability to seek international help

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Pretty sure fire is a risk to servers as well.

Servers make it easier to keep & maintain duplicate data in separate locations, which’ll be unlikely to be affected by the same fire.

Yeah, so does photocopying. The threats you are listing are identical to physical model.
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