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Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models

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Post by sigmarule »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #368
sigmarule wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A third-party demonstrated that it was possible to jailbreak the safety measures of Fable to access the raw Mythos abilities. Abilities which Anthropic say are too dangerous for the public. Pressure test this assumption before getting behind this position.

I will certainly revisit it as more information comes out, but is it your contention that Anthropic solved jailbreaking with Mythos?

That is a strawman. My contention is what you just implicitly acknowledged - there is not information put out yet to validate the quoted claim. There are claims to the contrary, as well, from Anthropic themselves.

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Post by aqme28 »

softwaredoug wrote: post #337
themgt wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I submitted separately, but this Axios report has some details that call a lot of the speculation in this thread into question, i.e. that this wasn't much of a "jailbreak" at all and that it's not Anthropic-specific - the White House intends to generally regulate Mythos-class models (whatever exactly that means): Between the lines: The government's response "seems way out of line with what's actually in the research…

That’s a terrible way to create AI regulations If they actually cared about this issue we’d have predictable laws and regulatory bodies that let companies actually plan There’s a reason royal fiat doesn’t lead to healthy economies. It’s just confusing and chaotic. It’s not clear why anyone would invest in a new model now. Then the next administration comes in and instantly, by fiat, they decide to lift the ban. The m…

It’s a great way to regulate if you’re corrupt. When the rules are opaque and arbitrary, there’s a lot more room for corruption.

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Post by jsnell »

Lerc wrote: post #305
jsnell wrote: post #30

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Is your objection specifically to the WSJ, or to the sources not being named in general? If the former, yes, the are other outlets reporting this with independent sourcing (e.g. The Information).

In general the absence of any clear statement of the source having an ability to know the information. Specifically, yes The WSJ journal "sources familiar with" has been the end point of research into many claims that I have tried to find the origin of. A lot of stories report that the WSJ has reported... The combination of the paywall limiting casual readers to check the context of a reference and the perception tha…

https://www.theinformation.com/articles/amazons-jassy-raised...

But the sourcing isn't any more detailed, just independent rather than just re-reporting the WSJ story.

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Post by crowbahr »

irthomasthomas wrote: post #339
Topfi wrote: post #71

I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…

They literally asked for it. Two days ago Amodei wrote an essay urging the government to regulate them. He explicitly cited Mythos, as proof that frontier AI has acquired autonomous hacking capabilities that threaten critical infrastructure and national security. "Mythos Preview scrambled the global cybersecurity landscape. But its broader significance is that it proves beyond doubt that AI models are now tools of gl…

Cynically: this is an attempt to quash open source or discount model competition through regulatory capture.

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Post by no-name-here »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #130
vrganj wrote: post #84

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Its not Fable 5 that overstepped in the eyes of the US government. It's Anthropic. This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes.

Antropic models are the ones that designated that school as valid target

What is the basis for that claim? There’s been lots of wild conjecture, but as The Guardian reported, “Almost none of this had any relationship to reality” and “LLMs-gone-rogue dominated coverage, but had nothing to do with the targeting.” https://www.theguardian.com/news/2026/mar/26/ai-got-the-blam...

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Post by apstls »

what wrote: post #369
sigmarule wrote: post #363

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> A third-party demonstrated that it was possible to jailbreak the safety measures of Fable to access the raw Mythos abilities. Abilities which Anthropic say are too dangerous for the public. Pressure test this assumption before getting behind this position.

What assumption?

It is pretty clear, no? Anthropic claims that the jailbreaks they were made aware of did not access the model’s raw capability, explained that there are protections to mitigate the impact of successful jailbreaks, etc. Coming here and stating something to the contrary with zero explanation or actual evidence is the assumption.

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Post by no-name-here »

Topfi wrote: post #97
logicchains wrote: post #92

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>This is transparent revenge for them daring to try and push back a little on enabling war crimes. Don't be so pessimistic, maybe they're just trying to give their buddy Musk and XAi a chance to catch up.

Anthropic is one of the two consistent revenue sources for XAI via their colossus deal. I have been critical of this man longer than most, but I don’t see him hurting his own bottom line.

It could be the Trump admin incompetently attempting to help Trump’s primary benefactor? (As I haven’t yet seen anyone say that the current actions are a competent approach to AI regulation.)

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Post by whalesalad »

This is such an insidey job corrupt Trump admin situation.

As an Anthropic partner and a massive web infra provider themselves, the reasonable move here would have been to go directly to Anthropic to report this jailbreak. The same way any other sort of software security vulnerability is reported and dealt with. "Hey buddy, uhh, we need to show you something" and they fix it, and you continue to work together and collaborate and get a fat check in the meantime.

MAGA is mad that Anthropic won't kiss the ring and they're either helping AMZN with this request because it is convenient for both of them.

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Post by whattheheckheck »

arcanemachiner wrote: post #326
downrightmike wrote: post #300

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This is just another shakedown like with Tylenol etc, knock the product, lower the stock price and have a competitor hostile takeover, or get kickbacks

This is a hypothesis, and a viable one. But I caution you against drawing conclusions from your hypothesis and calling it a day, instead of taking in the available data and using it to broaden your understanding of what's actually happening. This could be many things: a shakedown, Trump's pettiness, marketing kayfabe, an actual government reaction to a very weaponizable technology, and so on. But if you call it "just…

Its been 10 years of historical abuse. You're a battered spouse in a bad relationship with the most audacious narcissist that has ever lived.
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