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32GB of DDR5 now costs $375 – AI shortage continues to squeeze PC building

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Post by rasz »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #368
saltcured wrote: post #360

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I get it, the Beige Box of Theseus. I guess most would probably assume at least one epic refresh where there wasn't really anything carried across except maybe the parking spot on your desk. And since the 486 era, most probably expect your desk and/or physical site changed too. There were so many potential PC era boundaries like case and motherboard form factors, external peripheral buses, HDD controller types, expan…

> There were so many potential PC era boundaries like case and motherboard form factors Only one change really from AT/Baby AT to ATX. We've been on ATX now for 30 years. I could grab an A-Bit BH6 motherboard from 1998 and put it in my modern Hyte Y60 case if I wanted to. > external peripheral buses Since we're talking starting from 486 era, that only means going from PS/2 to USB for keyboard/mouse, parallel port for…

>ESDI to IDE transition

ESDI and ST-506 MFM/RLL before it lived in universe of dedicated HDD interface cards.

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Post by stodor89 »

burnt-resistor wrote: post #261
Hamuko wrote: post #50

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My bet is that we're not gonna see any adjustments in RAM pricing until one of the planned data center projects collapses in a spectacular way.

The billionaires locked in a race to spend effectively unlimited funds on AI CapEx will have to be convinced by markets and/or their advisers that there aren't enough profits and that cutting losses (like with Metaverse) in their quixotic quest is necessary.

We're talking trillions here. They will absolutely have to make it work, whatever it takes.

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Post by stodor89 »

varispeed wrote: post #45
dijit wrote: post #26

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Shame I have 2TiB of ECC DDR4 lying around :( Would be nice to be able to own property.

People used to mock "you'll own nothing" as conspiracy theory.

Yoo, what about the "and be happy" part???

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Post by Phoenixhq »

nradov wrote: post #240
expedition32 wrote: post #233

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You could get a 990pro 2 terabyte Samsung SSD for €150 just last year. Memory had become a commodity product.

Memory is still a commodity product, in that there isn't a huge amount of difference between vendors selling products that comply with a certain technical standard. Sometimes the prices of commodities (wheat, silver, crude oil, etc) go way up when supply and demand get out of balance.

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

QuiEgo wrote: post #367
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #325

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> you've 'upgraded' the same pc since a 486? Yes. The most I've ever replaced all at once is the CPU/mobo/RAM trifecta. But even when I do that, I still kept the same storage, case, GPU, PSU, mouse/keyboard, etc. But otherwise, upgrades are piecemeal. New storage when my current storage is full or I want to upgrade to a new technology. New GPU when I feel like my current one is holding me back. New mouse or keyboard…

Did you mod the case? I can't imagine a case designed for a 486 would be super great for thermals for a modern CPU and discrete GPU combo. For me, it was such a pain in the butt to try and mod it vs. $100 for a case that "just works", so that was the nail in the coffin for my old AT case.

I've upgraded cases along the way, too.

Usually for aesthetics though. Better airflow was secondary until more recently.

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Post by dayjaby »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #252
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #230

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The value of my desktop pc has almost doubled, my ps5 is worth ~ $150 more than I bought it years ago. It's gotten to the point where nvidia doesn't even bother to report their gaming revenue anymore. It's a clear sign that we're back to the bad old days of pc gaming being a 'prosumer' hobby, but don't worry I'm sure nvidia and their ilk are salivating at the idea of making pc gaming into a streaming stadia like solu…

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Sohcahtoa82/saved/n76zkL I think I paid a total of around $5,500 for the current components of my PC. Hard to say for sure since my PC has been a Ship of Theseus for over 30 years and started as a 486. The link merely reflects its current state. At one point, PCPartPicker was showing my PC as worth $11,000. It's now at $7,200 without including the RAM or PSU . That would put it at $9,000…

> I wouldn't recommend spending under $3,000 for a gaming PC these days

Alternative wording: You recommend to spend more than $3000? There are people out there who don't toss money around as if it's an endless commodity. I spent a friction of that for gaming computers in my entire life.

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Post by bigfatkitten »

SapporoChris wrote: post #356
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #296

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There's not necessarily anything wrong with gaming at 1080p, but I shudder to recommend anyone use a 1080p display for productivity. I feel like 27" 1440p is a good minimum experience. I also think that you're doing yourself a disservice going with an 8GB gpu in 2026, even for 1080p

How do you reconcile your comment with the fact that computers were used productively for decades before the invention of 1080p and larger formats.

Because decades ago, applications didn’t waste anywhere near the absurd amounts of screen real estate that they do now.

Look at how much you can fit onto a 1920x1080 display running Windows 2000 compared with a recent release of GNOME.

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Post by mathgeek »

gib444 wrote: post #264
mathgeek wrote: post #171

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> I'm sure it doesn't help that people continue to buy things at this price. Implicitly, but that's blaming the consumer who has no or few equivalent choices. Purchasing RAM is not like choosing between Coke and Pepsi. A better analogy is that when a hurricane is coming or a natural disaster has already hit, it doesn't help that people will purchase food and fuel at any price.

A Steam Deck is as vital as food or fuel...?

I feel like a broken record with this sometimes, but things compared in an analogy are generally dissimilar while sharing some similarities. No one claimed what you are asking.
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