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Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by Lapel2742 »

bluegatty wrote: post #330
bigfudge wrote: post #281

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I think this is complacent. The rest of the world is actively seeking opportunities to decouple. The US is so embedded in defence ecosystems at the moment that is a delicate balance because we are all still dependent on US space and logistics capabilities. But Ukraine and Eastern Europe and building the foundation for conventional forces to be supplied without the US, and although it will take longer, Sweden France a…

"Reddit tier America bad geopolitics takes" The US president threatened to take Greenland by force, that's a very real thing. Mind you, it's one man, and not the nation or state, but he does have a lot of backers. That's a very real concern.

> Mind you, it's one man, and not the nation or state, but he does have a lot of backers.

My 2ct:

He is the duly elected leader in a representative democracy. He speaks on behalf of all U.S. Americans, he acts on behalf of all U.S. Americans, and all U.S. Americans share the same responsibility for the actions of his government.

He isn't the only problem, though. It has now been proven that the U.S. Constitution is not worth the paper it is written on. In my opinion, that's the real concern. Trump will not be around for long. The U.S. Constitution, the U.S. Supreme Court, the people that allowed that to happen and the Republican Party will.

Edit:

At least the U.S. Constitution needs some amendments, and I don’t see that happening, but there may be some plans to amend it I’m not aware of.

Edit-2:

Of course, there will still be cooperation with the U.S. after Trump, but fundamentally, something is broken. We will not return to the pre-Trump state.

Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers

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Post by noir_lord »

mikestorrent wrote: post #347
marcus_holmes wrote: post #340

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> Do we need to actually go to war with Russia? Yes. That's what everyone signed up to [0] when Ukraine gave up its Soviet-era nukes. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

Great, more dead boys for nothing. As a Canadian, I think we've sacrificed enough generations for European brother wars. Given retrospect, wouldn't a land deal have been better than half a million dead? Wouldn't walking away from your house, maybe with a reparations package, be better than it being blown up by drones and your family killed? I don't think we need to go to war. We need to find a way to deal with Russia…

Go read the article on the Bucha massacre and then the see also.

Sometimes the only way to deal with the boogeyman is to accept they are the boogeyman because of their pattern of behaviour.

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Post by noir_lord »

jleyank wrote: post #322
brightball wrote: post #295

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> Being a U.S. ally no longer guarantees that you will be protected by the U.S. as Ukraine is seeing. How much more is the US supposed to do in Ukraine beyond the $60-70 billion in weapons and supplies? Do we need to actually go to war with Russia?

What’s the word of the us on a treaty worth?

Given the US threatened to annex territory of two NATO members in the last couple of years.

A lot less to it’s allies than it was I’d suggest.

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Post by dlahoda »

gostsamo wrote: post #342
lysace wrote: post #266

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Unfortunately the EU still hasn't gotten the balls to confiscate that frozen oligarchy money, so no. Just wait, though. Soon you will cry. ;)

confiscating money is much bigger deal than you can imagine. Russia and the EU are not officially at war and just taking money because you can is a serious violation of fundamental rights.

Afaik principal was not confiscated.

What is violation of what rights?

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Post by Lio »

mikestorrent wrote: post #347
marcus_holmes wrote: post #340

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> Do we need to actually go to war with Russia? Yes. That's what everyone signed up to [0] when Ukraine gave up its Soviet-era nukes. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

Great, more dead boys for nothing. As a Canadian, I think we've sacrificed enough generations for European brother wars. Given retrospect, wouldn't a land deal have been better than half a million dead? Wouldn't walking away from your house, maybe with a reparations package, be better than it being blown up by drones and your family killed? I don't think we need to go to war. We need to find a way to deal with Russia…

Land deal?

Russia has never asked for a land deal. They started the war and their goal has always been the total destruction of Ukraine and the enslavement of the people.

Where they’ve pulled back from occupied areas they’ve mass civilian graves and bodies with signs of torture.

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Post by selivanovp »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #340
brightball wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Being a U.S. ally no longer guarantees that you will be protected by the U.S. as Ukraine is seeing. How much more is the US supposed to do in Ukraine beyond the $60-70 billion in weapons and supplies? Do we need to actually go to war with Russia?

> Do we need to actually go to war with Russia? Yes. That's what everyone signed up to [0] when Ukraine gave up its Soviet-era nukes. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

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Post by altacc »

noir_lord wrote: post #370
PearlRiver wrote: post #326

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I am getting the feeling that Americans don't understand that words have meaning. Trump insulting, threatening and bullying everones is supposed to be one big joke. But we are talking about sovereign states here that have been around for centuries- they are neither amused nor cowed.

They don’t seem to get that Trump while a huge problem for us is a symptom of the actual problem, which is “all the conditions that put Trump in the White House will still exist when Trump is no longer in the White House”. Simply put, they did it twice, who’s to say Trump 2.0 won’t be worse. This whole “Democrats will take the house and it’s back to normal” attitude they have when it applies to foreign politics is na…

I have heard at least one interview with Steve Bannon where he says that Trump isn't delivering what many political operatives and financiers want but they see him as laying the ground for the next administration, who will restructure the government & US more efficiently.

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Post by selivanovp »

Lio wrote: post #375
mikestorrent wrote: post #347

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Great, more dead boys for nothing. As a Canadian, I think we've sacrificed enough generations for European brother wars. Given retrospect, wouldn't a land deal have been better than half a million dead? Wouldn't walking away from your house, maybe with a reparations package, be better than it being blown up by drones and your family killed? I don't think we need to go to war. We need to find a way to deal with Russia…

Land deal? Russia has never asked for a land deal. They started the war and their goal has always been the total destruction of Ukraine and the enslavement of the people. Where they’ve pulled back from occupied areas they’ve mass civilian graves and bodies with signs of torture.

Stop spreading propaganda.

- Ukrainians are the second largest ethnicity in Russia.

- The majority of people living on a currently contested territories of Ukraine used to be USSR citizens.

- Russia got the majority of Ukrainian refugees since the start of a war if we count per country.

- Pretty much all the former Ukraine citizens got Russian passports and a citizens of Russia now.

- And yes, if Ukraine is using cities as fortresses and do not evacuate civilians from there, high chances are that after weeks and months long battles those civilians end up in graves with nasty wounds on their bodies.

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Post by selivanovp »

MrDresden wrote: post #366
mikestorrent wrote: post #347

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Great, more dead boys for nothing. As a Canadian, I think we've sacrificed enough generations for European brother wars. Given retrospect, wouldn't a land deal have been better than half a million dead? Wouldn't walking away from your house, maybe with a reparations package, be better than it being blown up by drones and your family killed? I don't think we need to go to war. We need to find a way to deal with Russia…

> "We need to find a way to deal with Russia with humanity instead of treating them like some boomer-era cold war bogeyman." Are you even aware of what has been going on in Ukraine for the last 4 years, and in Crimea for the last 12?

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