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Tech CEOs are apparently suffering from AI psychosis

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Post by krupan »

1attice wrote: post #193
krupan wrote: post #112

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"this system" is wild when you are talking about the universe we evolved in

Breathtaking that you view trillionaires and casino capitalism as a state of nature. I imagine you imagine our primitive ancestors in the canopy, glancing at their iPhones to see how their property value is doing. But the truth is, we didn't even have this level of thoroughgoing, casual precarity as recently as fifty years ago. Or even twenty. There was a time, even in my memory, where rents were tolerable and housin…

I imagine our primitive ancestors in the canopy having near death experiences every day just to get food and shelter. When was the last time you had a near death experience?

Could things be better than they are right now? Probably. But you'll never completely eliminate struggle and pain in this universe, unless you eliminate all life

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Post by ssl-3 »

j4k3 wrote: post #351
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I used to have a job that involved swinging a hammer over and over again. I got pretty good at it. Then the boss-man bought a minty-new Senco 650 air nailer for me to use. At first, I could take it or leave it. After all, I was proud at the skill I gained in driving nails with a hammer, and the ways my muscles seemed to automatically steer the nail straight into a board without missing a beat even if things started g…

A cat named Jacques Ellul would probably call your addiction a technique. And it's definitely fleshed out in his book. https://archive.org/details/JacquesEllulTheTechnologicalSoci... Pretty prescient stuff!

That book has a greater number of lengthy preambles than I've ever before seen for any single volume. It's very impressive to me in that way.

I will try to give it a read.

Thanks!

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Post by rramadass »

righthand wrote: post #361
rramadass wrote: post #306

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> it’s everyone who no longer has a knowledge specialty. > Everyone who’s chosen to NOT understand because they can offload/contract-away their work and knowledge is under psychosis that LLMs know best. Right on the money! These people's ignorance was compensated for by other non-ignorant intelligent people in the organization who actually had knowledge of the domain and tools/techniques for problem-solving. The latt…

It will be a different wave of C-Suite then and I’m not so sure that next wave will be remotely intelligent to see the issues.

The circumstances will force them to face the issues. Three points are relevant here;

1) The amount of money sunk into AI (trillions!) is never going to be made back.

2) Early AI adopters are finding out that it costs more to use AI instead of Humans.

3) AI adoption is making people dumber w.r.t. a specific job at hand. This means precious institutional knowledge is lost which directly translates to increased costs on extension and maintenance of crucial AI generated systems.

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Post by 1718627440 »

apercu wrote: post #205
glaslong wrote: post #63

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Yes this is why the higher level org functions are in love with AI. It's very similar to the levers they had already, but is faster and more directly actionable. The downsides being that the AI loses important control levers like "self preservation" via paycheck, career advancement, staying out of jail, etc. that were mitigations on catastrophic outcomes. It will delete your prod db faster and with a bigger smile tha…

"Yes this is why the higher level org functions are in love with AI. " Interesting, I thought it was because so few of them have any idea how their organizations actually function, because so much of their work is performative. (I have been a developer, sysadmin, director (x2), and president).

Isn't that the same? They don't know how the company works, instead think everything is done, by them talking to sycophants, so think that a perfect replacement for the sycophants is a perfect replacement for the company.

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Post by 1718627440 »

lazide wrote: post #176
glaslong wrote: post #63

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Yes this is why the higher level org functions are in love with AI. It's very similar to the levers they had already, but is faster and more directly actionable. The downsides being that the AI loses important control levers like "self preservation" via paycheck, career advancement, staying out of jail, etc. that were mitigations on catastrophic outcomes. It will delete your prod db faster and with a bigger smile tha…

Well, also AI can’t really physically do anything, like look at reality using it’s own eyes or touch anything.

True, you need to attach a motor or something, but we automated that long ago, so humans can do anything from a cozy seat.

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Post by righthand »

rramadass wrote: post #373
righthand wrote: post #361

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It will be a different wave of C-Suite then and I’m not so sure that next wave will be remotely intelligent to see the issues.

The circumstances will force them to face the issues. Three points are relevant here; 1) The amount of money sunk into AI (trillions!) is never going to be made back. 2) Early AI adopters are finding out that it costs more to use AI instead of Humans. 3) AI adoption is making people dumber w.r.t. a specific job at hand. This means precious institutional knowledge is lost which directly translates to increased costs o…

We shall see, my main gripe is that the next wave wont know there were ways of working before LLMs. Recc: Read Vonneguts Player Piano to see where I think this is heading.

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Post by pocksuppet »

krupan wrote: post #370
pocksuppet wrote: post #165

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which law of physics says that you pay a landlord rent or else the cops come and beat you up?

How different is that from, struggle to build a shelter out of rocks or nasty weather comes and kills you? There are no good things in this universe without some struggle and pain. Sure, maybe in the current decade it's not as easy as it could be, but what do you really expect out of life?

Do you really think police action is fundamentally uncontrollable, like the weather?

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Post by krupan »

pocksuppet wrote: post #379
krupan wrote: post #370

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How different is that from, struggle to build a shelter out of rocks or nasty weather comes and kills you? There are no good things in this universe without some struggle and pain. Sure, maybe in the current decade it's not as easy as it could be, but what do you really expect out of life?

Do you really think police action is fundamentally uncontrollable, like the weather?

What I'm hearing from you is you want someone else to do the work of providing shelter for you without you being required to compensate them. Am I right? If not then maybe you need to do a better job of explaining. Nothing in this universe is free. I know that can be stressful and depressing and I'm sorry you are feeling it strongly right now, but acceptance is one of the first steps to moving forward
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