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Amazon workers under pressure to up their AI usage are making up tasks

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Re: Amazon workers under pressure to up their AI usage are making up tasks

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I'm sorry, but that's insane. I mean, I guess if you have cash to burn I could think of even worse ways to spend it, but seriously, this is dumb. What other tool have businesses spent millions of dollars and person hours on to try and find something useful the tool can do?? Talk about a solution looking for a problem! If it's not clear in the early stages that this tool solves a problem then ditch it and move on! Giv…

Every dollar your company gives to AI providers is a dollar they're not paying you.

its also a dollar that is most likely going to busywork and not towards anything customer-facing/improving...

Re: Amazon workers under pressure to up their AI usage are making up tasks

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People don't want to read LLM-generated docs though. It'll lack the context to justify why things were designed the way they were, and there's always a risk of hallucination so you still have to verify the documentation's claims, since the person who published it likely did not scrutinize it.

There's two major types of documentation "why is this like this" documentation and then there's "here's the features of this library/tool" documentation. LLM stuff is fine for the latter as long as you screen it for hallucinations. Your right the former they can't really do because they don't have access to the reasoning but I've often found even the latter to be lacking in many teams.

  > LLM stuff is fine for the latter as long as you screen it for hallucinations
that is such a productivity black-hole tho; at that point i might as well have written it myself

Re: Amazon workers under pressure to up their AI usage are making up tasks

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Corporate tech has accelerated into a preposterous trajectory. Burn resources at all costs to appear productive and use proxy metrics to measure success. Fire productive employees to ensure we have resources to fund the proxy metrics. AI slop fool’s gold is the product.

  > AI slop fool’s gold is the product.
juniors who are stuck on ai and cant learn is the real product imo

Re: Amazon workers under pressure to up their AI usage are making up tasks

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Lots of people reporting their "I had to use up my tokens, so I burned them on worthless stuff" stories. Incredible thing to do in a climate emergency. Push harder guys, maybe we can hit 3C warming? This reminds me of the story of how the USSR nearly made whales extinct to meet a quota for whale meat that nobody wanted to eat.

I've been noticing how our economy keeps getting more Soviet as it becomes more top-down. We basically have central planning now with all the pathologies inherent in that system, but unlike the soviets we just have a bunch of guys who happened to get rich or bribe the right people running our GOSPLAN.

soviet-coded minus the cheap/free housing and public transit

Re: Amazon workers under pressure to up their AI usage are making up tasks

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When I was at Amazon last year, the bragging (from the AI poo-bah in my section of Amazon, note) about AI included "look at the total line count of commits from the heaviest AI users!" So if AI screws something up and re-writes it and then screws it up again, needing another re-write, that counted as more positive than if it was done correctly, and simply, the first time.

This is like when the Pointy Haired Boss offers a bounty for fixing bugs and Wally pumps his fist and says “I’m gonna go code myself a Porsche!”

It is almost as if Dilbert was a documentary.

Re: Amazon workers under pressure to up their AI usage are making up tasks

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Lots of people reporting their "I had to use up my tokens, so I burned them on worthless stuff" stories. Incredible thing to do in a climate emergency. Push harder guys, maybe we can hit 3C warming? This reminds me of the story of how the USSR nearly made whales extinct to meet a quota for whale meat that nobody wanted to eat.

This is why we're clear-cutting forests to build new data centers? Not even for "real" productivity gains, but just for the sake of using the tokens.

don't worry they're not building many of them anyways, they're just accumulating debt and padding the pockets of all the construction companies that are sitting around idle

Re: Amazon workers under pressure to up their AI usage are making up tasks

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When a founder from a non-tech company told me that he personally spent over 2000 dollar in last month in coding (He never coded before) with proud, I'm asking him why using API instead of subscription, he told that, "the model is different, I spend more, it's a better and smarter model without limitation".

I thought they just want to show up to others(especially non tech guys) that they spent high, so they know more about AI

Re: Amazon workers under pressure to up their AI usage are making up tasks

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It's worth reflecting on why it's so hard to convince hold outs to discover how AI might help them. The fundamental issue is that there really aren't many convincing demonstrations that hold outs can relate to and there remains basically no evidence of real value gained. Users attest to higher productivity and point to material but intermediate factors like token use, generated lines of code, pr counts, etc, but ther…

Unfortunately, a convincing demonstration to convince a skeptical colleague would require measuring developer productivity. Among skeptics, I've only seen people won over by using it themselves, because when they use AI for their own work, they invest the time to review the code, understand it, and assess its quality by their own standards. That's how people learn to trust AI coding assistance.

There's only really one measure, ultimately, and that's profits. Are these heavy AI companies raking in 10x profits with their 10x'd developers?

Re: Amazon workers under pressure to up their AI usage are making up tasks

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I brought data to this discussion. What did you bring?

Your data shows a 20% improvement. That's $20-100k a year depending on how much devs are paid.

You don't get paid 20% more for achieving 20% more achievement, that's for sure.
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