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Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Re: Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Nothing in Prusa's OCL stops anyone from cloning and selling their printer. It only stops the honest people from doing that (and possibly much more, like manufacturing and selling replacement parts or mods). Creating 3D models from existing products is relatively fast and easy. The hard parts have always been the actual design process, materials selection, and setting up the supply and manufacturing chain. Prusa took…

What you’ve said is true but also misses the point. Licenses have never been about stopping bad actions because a bit of text can’t prevent someone from buying materials and building things, just like a speed limit sign has never stopped someone from speeding (unless they crash into it). They ARE however deterrents to bad actions from less-than-scrupulous entities, and enforcement mechanisms against fully-unscrupulou…

The Chinese are very good at cloning, source code or not. Guess who they're cloning? Bambu.

The market leader gets cloned but somehow the market leader is still standing.

That market leader was previously Prusa. Prusa rested on their laurel and got outflanked.

Re: Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Full disclosure: I've never owned a Bambu because I've never loved the idea of a "closed" ecosystem 3D printer, however I have used them, and am very familiar with the 3d printing space beyond Bambu. For anyone considering alternatives: You should know that almost all other 3D printers expect you to know a little more about how they actually work than Bambus. Bambus are as close as you can get to a "just works" type…

I'm still rocking my Ender 3 Pro, I printed a part 13 hrs straight and it came out fine not saying it can't be better eg. faster, multi-color/material but yeah works for me right now with Cura

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Re: Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Prusa is still the most 'open source-ish' choice, but they're no longer a polar opposite to Bambu, in 2023 they started making efforts to stop commercialization of their designs, stopped sharing source/design material for their PCBs, etc. Then in 2025 they changed their 'open community license' to say users may not: “Sell complete machines or remixes based on these files, unless you have a separate agreement…” and “T…

I've been a Prusa defender for a long time, including when they added the break-off tab to enable custom firmware which caused a lot of upset. They're doing what it takes to be a business. I was glad when they moved to more injection molded parts instead of trying to 3D print their own parts. It was a cool idea at the start but the time for that was long past. My only slight objection is that you can tell they're try…

Josef clearly cares about being as open as possible, but has bumped up against the fact that companies like Bambu can just take their designs and extend them with things they don't share, and sell a product with more features and a lower price.

Unfortunately, it seems like the fully open source business model doesn't work well when you can be undercut by extremely cheap labor from another country and a company that doesn't share or reciprocate your values.

It sucks. Also, fuck Bambu.

Re: Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Prusa is still the most 'open source-ish' choice, but they're no longer a polar opposite to Bambu, in 2023 they started making efforts to stop commercialization of their designs, stopped sharing source/design material for their PCBs, etc. Then in 2025 they changed their 'open community license' to say users may not: “Sell complete machines or remixes based on these files, unless you have a separate agreement…” and “T…

They were so deeply undercut by Chinese clone vendors that buying Prusa made little sense to consumers. They couldn't survive without banning them. The situation was similar to IBM PC, but Prusa Research was no IBM.

> They were so deeply undercut by Chinese clone vendors that buying Prusa made little sense to consumers.

There exist a lot of other buying criteria than price.

Re: Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Also, LAN mode is NOT a substitute for the functionality you bought the printer with. My biggest annoyance is that I can no longer use OrcaSlicer to interact with my printers (e.g. sync filaments) and start prints remotely. I am still very annoyed at Bambu Labs for this stupid move, as it directly impacts my usage. What most people seem to be missing in these discussions is that some of us have printers in remote wor…

Why do you feel entitled to use their cloud services with 3rd party applications?

Setting aside that you're putting words in the other party's mouth, you're clearly entitled to do exactly that when the product is sold as having various functionality that depends on the cloud service. If you tell me my new toaster can send a live video of my bagel to my phone then I am entitled to receive that functionality without being subject to your shitware.

Re: Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been a Prusa defender for a long time, including when they added the break-off tab to enable custom firmware which caused a lot of upset. They're doing what it takes to be a business. I was glad when they moved to more injection molded parts instead of trying to 3D print their own parts. It was a cool idea at the start but the time for that was long past. My only slight objection is that you can tell they're try…

Josef clearly cares about being as open as possible, but has bumped up against the fact that companies like Bambu can just take their designs and extend them with things they don't share, and sell a product with more features and a lower price. Unfortunately, it seems like the fully open source business model doesn't work well when you can be undercut by extremely cheap labor from another country and a company that d…

Share what? Nothing what Bambu is doing is remotely secret. There are no mystery sauce to figure out. Prusa genuinely got outflanked by Bambu when it comes to designing a printer.

But yes, fuck bambu.

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I am an outsider on the details of the Bambu software requiring users to go through their servers in China and the closing of their software. Still I suspect it is about spying in wartime, Bambu printers are at the core of the Ukrainian war effort, the main reason even Ukraine is winning since januari 2026. First China prevented Ukraine from using any of the drones that they sold in millions to Russia while exercisin…

> A free Bambu firmware will allow the Ukranians to continue producing another few million drones and save over a hundred thousands lives by ending the war.

> Now is the chance for us outsiders to help Ukraine, by freeing Bambu firmware.

What you write sounds like an invitation to pro-Russia-minded people to sabotage these free Bambu firmware efforts. :-)

Re: Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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I am an outsider on the details of the Bambu software requiring users to go through their servers in China and the closing of their software. Still I suspect it is about spying in wartime, Bambu printers are at the core of the Ukrainian war effort, the main reason even Ukraine is winning since januari 2026. First China prevented Ukraine from using any of the drones that they sold in millions to Russia while exercisin…

So Ukraine is on the verge to becoming western world supplier of top end drones and 3d printers and we are doing exactly nothing about it?

IMO Ukraine should start exporting their drones (for fun or spooking political adversaries) as a way to help the war effort.

Re: Bambu Lab is abusing the open source social contract

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This sentence in Bambu Lab's blog post is wild: > We have documented incidents of service outages caused precisely by spikes in unauthorized traffic - overwhelming the servers, causing service disruptions affecting everyone. The cost was instability felt by all users. So it's a problem that their printers are popular, and they can't be bothered to scale their infra, so let's gate everything based on USER AGENT STRING…

A conspiracy-theory steelmanning interpretation of that statement is that Bambu thinks that some unscrupulous Chinese manufacturer is performing DDoS attacks against them, but can't fully and publicly admit to that for legal reasons.

... and sending a cease and desist to OrcaSlicer somehow mitigates that DDoS?
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