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Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by throwaway27448 »

bagxrvxpepzn wrote: post #203
panick21_ wrote: post #182

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No it actually wouldn't. As in 15+ years of Hacker News I have not seen the same so clearly it can be so horrible that it regularly leads to such strong reaction, suggesting that for most people this isn't nearly so impactful. And very few things described could actually be called harassment, mostly it was light criticism or maybe a bit trolling.

The guy appears to have a fragile ego. Any criticism and he goes nuclear, as if he was never told "no" as a child. Sure you can have opinions about the best way to moderate comments, but I can't imagine thinking I was special enough to publicly demand how Hacker News should be run. I've worked with people like this, not fun!

I don't think having a strong ego on this forrm is any more laudable. I think I come back for the people trying to build stuff for no reward

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by com2kid »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #353
com2kid wrote: post #170

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I'm still on Ubuntu 22 because everything works. Got enough packages that still request I don't use wayland that I don't want to risk an upgrade. Sad because I really want the better One drive integration that Ubuntu 24+ comes with.

I sympathize. But it seems so weird to me to be a Linux open source adopter, who is also so am conservative. Heck yes KDE, sway, Niri, and so many other new desktops are so so so nice. I can't imagine staying in the old world. But who should AMD for example target? It seems obvious to me. Personally I think if you are trying to make tools like ai acceleration software, you should 100% be focused on the alpha geeks. T…

> But it seems so weird to me to be a Linux open source adopter, who is also so am conservative.

I used to be a tech enthusiast who installed the latest bleeding edge everything.

Now days I need a stable machine that lets me work. Sometimes my work is bleeding edge, but I want my machine to be boring and stable.

I can't run the latest open source models if I can't get my machine to even boot.

Also some of the latest AI stuff (desktop control, full screen recording, etc) doesn't support wayland. E.g. https://pieces.app/ prefer x11 due to the simpler security model.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by Neywiny »

bishopp92 wrote: post #54

Genuine question: can't LLMs be used to accelerate this project?

Genuine answer: sometimes. I've done similar levels of reverse engineering. Keep in mind that LLMs, and all other AI, "think" as they are programmed to. When you need to do something they don't know how to do, because you're the first person in history to do it, it turns into a lot of hand holding. Especially when you're dealing with physical devices that can explode if misprogrammed, I've found it's best to keep them working on the lower hanging fruit.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by tempaccountabcd »

jtotheh wrote: post #191

I got into Linux because it gave me things I couldn't get with Windows/Mac (in 1994). There are less things that is true for now, by far. I am drawn to the ideals of Free Software (maybe BSD style, maybe GNU style) like a moth to the flame. Nonetheless, I have a smartphone, which since 2016 has been an iPhone. Now there are things I can't get with Linux that I value with macOS. The integration with the phone is just…

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Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by __turbobrew__ »

tomnipotent wrote: post #368
__turbobrew__ wrote: post #294

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Sure, there is no legal issue with these contributions. The problem is why would a project like Debian spend a bunch of work stewarding the Asahi project when Apple can just make the project impossible to progress if they so desire? The Debian project already is strapped for resources to build their distribution and stewarding a possibly throw away project is probably not the best use of their time.

Your entire argument is based on a random hypothetical. Why should Debian steward any work if a meteor could collide with our planet and wipe out all life?

Are you making the argument that an extinction level meteor event is within the same realm as Apple deciding to lock down their hardware? It is called risk management, here is how it goes: The likelyhood that an earth ending meteor comes and destroys the earth is very very low and therefore Debian decides that they should still write software. On the other hand the likelyhood that Apple -- a for profit company -- locks down their laptop hardware like they do for iOS is much higher. Apple has a history of walled gardens and conceivably there could be profit motives to lock down the hardware. Given the risk, potential supporters of Asahi have to decide whether or not it is worth the risk of putting a bunch of time and money into the project.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by account42 »

IshKebab wrote: post #251
BoingBoomTschak wrote: post #208

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ALSA had dmix for some time already, but the default configuration of your distro may not have enabled it.

As I recall it was rarely enabled by default and was a pain to set up so in practice not really used. The most common solution at the time was PulseAudio, which was so bad it usually was better to just use direct ALSA and live with the idiotic one-at-a-time limitation. Thankfully Pipewire seems to actually work reliably so I guess that's at least one thing ticked off the Year of the Linux Desktop checklist.

It was the default on Gentoo long before Pulseaudio was the default anywhere. If other distros messed up their config I cannot say but the fixing that would have been a lot easier than moving to an entirely different system with an incompatible application interface.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by account42 »

anthk wrote: post #319
hedora wrote: post #306

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Even so, surely it would have been easier and better to just fix or replace dmix (in kernel, in the existing data path) than introduce a userspace daemon, break API compatibility, and so on. It’s been 20 years and pulseaudio is still flaky / high latency / incomprehensible. Professional flows that care use stuff like jack.

TBH pipewire works much better than pulse, up to the point to replacing jack itself. But DMIX worked fine for non-professional user needs and with very low CPU usage. Yes, it was Jackd for the professional but Windows had ASIO drivers too.

Pipe might work better than pulse but it's still an overcomplicated mess compared to ALSA, which is itself an overcomplicated mess compared to OSS, which could have been easily made to support concurrent clients to /dev/dsp without all the API breakages and flaky deamons we had to suffer through.

Re: Asahi Linux Progress Linux 7.0

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Post by tomnipotent »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #376
tomnipotent wrote: post #368

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Your entire argument is based on a random hypothetical. Why should Debian steward any work if a meteor could collide with our planet and wipe out all life?

Are you making the argument that an extinction level meteor event is within the same realm as Apple deciding to lock down their hardware? It is called risk management, here is how it goes: The likelyhood that an earth ending meteor comes and destroys the earth is very very low and therefore Debian decides that they should still write software. On the other hand the likelyhood that Apple -- a for profit company -- loc…

> locks down their laptop hardware like they do for iOS is much higher.

Except you pulled this out of thin air. There's more evidence to support the earth will be wiped out by a meteor than their is evidence Apple will lock down their macOS hardware. Your entire argument is predicated on vibes.

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