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I can see switching from gmail, but it would have to be really compelling to get me to switch from Fastmail.
What would get you to switch from Fastmail?
Probably JMAP support.
Help Keep Thunderbird Alive
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Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive
#372CEO of MZLA (the Mozilla entity that develops Thunderbird). One point of clarification, we don't get money from any source but our donors. After years of funding issues, MZLA was created by the Mozilla Foundation and the Thunderbird Council (our community governance body), to provide a legal/financial home for Thunderbird. Launching Thundermail this year (an email service) which we hope to help provide even more fund…
> CEO of MZLA (the Mozilla entity that develops Thunderbird).
Was it really too hard to say "I am the" or add "here" at the end? Instead we get this lazy "words hard less wrds good" manner of speaking.
Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive
#373Earlier quoted context omitted.
I find that a weird sentiment. Why do people demand to know and control how every one of their donations goes, while nobody questions how corporations use their money. Ironically, the demand for this increased transparency significantly increases compliance cost, which means more and more money is driven away from the actual cause toward the administrative costs. Exactly what people don't want to support.
Mozilla and Wikipedia for example are causes I support. But why would I give money to them if they are going to turn around and give money to some cause I don't support (OR am actively against)? These non-profits love to shuffle money around to unrelated causes. As a non profit, supporting open source software, I think expecting a large percentage of the donation to go to engineering and not admin, social causes, etc…
No donations to Mozilla go to engineering or Firefox in any way.
Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive
#374CEO of MZLA (the Mozilla entity that develops Thunderbird). One point of clarification, we don't get money from any source but our donors. After years of funding issues, MZLA was created by the Mozilla Foundation and the Thunderbird Council (our community governance body), to provide a legal/financial home for Thunderbird. Launching Thundermail this year (an email service) which we hope to help provide even more fund…
> CEO of MZLA (the Mozilla entity that develops Thunderbird). Was it really too hard to say "I am the" or add "here" at the end? Instead we get this lazy "words hard less wrds good" manner of speaking.
Why use many word when few word do trick.
Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive
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Expanding the acronym really works well here. Gmail is no good if you have a legitimate need for pretty good privacy. I would argue everyone does, most people just don't really think about what they are giving away. And how many emails a day are you receiving that a daily or hourly incremental offside backup wouldn't give you almost all of the benefits of "multi region replication"?
I’m sure I could rig up my own email server with replication and all sorts. I recall doing this many years ago, running SpamAssasin etc. Turns out the quality of things like self hosted spam filtering is no match for the world’s most notorious data ingestion and analysis company
Sounds like shifting the goal posts.
I have two or three emails a month get through my spam filtering. I don't consider fixing that to be worth the price of letting the world's most notorious advertising company have access to my emails
Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive
#376Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is downvoted but needs to be said. Thunderbird was an amazing 90's style piece of software that has unfortunately been been changed into a more "modern" look, with excessive white space and power-user hostile work flows. It was near perfect, just needed better search, pretty much.
I liked the old style, too. Nevertheless there is View → Density → Compact / Default / Relaxed.
Thanks for the information. Now, if they would only fix search…
Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive
#377CEO of MZLA (the Mozilla entity that develops Thunderbird). One point of clarification, we don't get money from any source but our donors. After years of funding issues, MZLA was created by the Mozilla Foundation and the Thunderbird Council (our community governance body), to provide a legal/financial home for Thunderbird. Launching Thundermail this year (an email service) which we hope to help provide even more fund…
As a user from Germany, it would help a lot if you could provide an IBAN to send you money in EUR directly. These payment providers all take a cut and what ends up being used for recurring donations is SEPA direct debit, which costs me about 10€ if my account ever happens do be too low to take the charge. Please make a way around supporting this ecosystem of banking with every donation!
Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive
#378Earlier quoted context omitted.
How did you come to the conclusion that 750 people is a lot to build a web browser? The Chrome-adjacent teams at Google are about 4,000 people, and that doesn't even include all the people at Google providing infrastructure (e.g. servers, workplace, HR, legal etc.). Comparing Firefox to Chromium-based browsers doesn't make much sense since these browsers don't develop their own web engine.
How did you come to the conclusion that it's not? Google being bloated is not a good justification for why Mozilla should be bloated too. Someone in the comment below suggested that Ladybird was built by about 10 people. Call me naive, but I don't think you'd need 75x number of people to work on a browser that's already established for over 2 decades.
I did not come to any conclusion. I called out a baseless claim.
A few pints about Ladybird:
* It's an awesome project, and they appear to be pretty efficient. * Greenfield projects always move faster than big codebases that are 30 years old. * Bigger teams always have more overhead than smaller teams. * Ladybird only does a small fraction of the things Firefox does. It's an important fraction, but still a small one. * The Ladybird GitHub repository has 1.3k contributors. Not sure where the number 10 comes from. * Only part of the people at Mozilla are engineers working on Firefox. There's also management, legal, marketing, HR and all the other folks you need to run a corporation. There's also engineers working on other products, backend services and infrastructure not required by Ladybird in its current stage.
None of the points above are quantitative, so Ladybird and Firefox are also hard to compare. I personally do think the Firefox org at Mozilla is pretty efficient for what it is; not based on the points above, but rather based on having worked at Mozilla for more than six years.
Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive
#379CEO of MZLA (the Mozilla entity that develops Thunderbird). One point of clarification, we don't get money from any source but our donors. After years of funding issues, MZLA was created by the Mozilla Foundation and the Thunderbird Council (our community governance body), to provide a legal/financial home for Thunderbird. Launching Thundermail this year (an email service) which we hope to help provide even more fund…
> CEO of MZLA (the Mozilla entity that develops Thunderbird). Was it really too hard to say "I am the" or add "here" at the end? Instead we get this lazy "words hard less wrds good" manner of speaking.
I meant to have a "here" at the end, just typed while excited. Typically known for using too many words.
Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive
#380Earlier quoted context omitted.
How did you come to the conclusion that it's not? Google being bloated is not a good justification for why Mozilla should be bloated too. Someone in the comment below suggested that Ladybird was built by about 10 people. Call me naive, but I don't think you'd need 75x number of people to work on a browser that's already established for over 2 decades.
I did not come to any conclusion. I called out a baseless claim. A few pints about Ladybird: * It's an awesome project, and they appear to be pretty efficient. * Greenfield projects always move faster than big codebases that are 30 years old. * Bigger teams always have more overhead than smaller teams. * Ladybird only does a small fraction of the things Firefox does. It's an important fraction, but still a small one.…
If you have worked at Mozilla then clearly you are going to have a better understanding of the company than I do. But my perspective, and I believe of many others from the outside looking in, is that the company is mismanaged, focusing on the wrong things, and paying their execs way too much.