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Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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I wished I believed this, but it feels closer to 50% Apple, 35% Windows, 15% Linux.

It's probably more like 85% Apple, 10% Linux, 5% Windows.

Considering Apple's always-low market share worldwide on desktop and mobile, I find those ratios hard to believe, even on a niche website like HN.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Until we've had this failure, I do agree that using COTS software was the logical choice. And now we know better.

Sure, but people who didn't know better until this particular incident do not deserve the title "engineer". Being able to classify and manage risks before they happen is engineering 101.

Engineering requires working around constraints as well - and a major constraint of any project I've worked on was budget. If they wrote a new email client and it had some bug, we'd be laughing about why they didn't use one of the COTS email clients.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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I was you. And then I needed access to other account and you cant get them running without using Outlook as far as I can tell. I hate Apple Mail Search, I loath Outlook.

Interesting... I mean I use other non-Microsoft mail as well but to be fair I only use 1 Microsoft account.

Oh, so you are saying there might be other cases than your own? Or do you think that the way you work is the only way? I'm curious to find out whether or not the configuration of your phone and accounts is the only one. If it is, let's talk so we can fix a multimillion dollar problem with email. Please, send me a message ASAP.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…

What are they emailing? I'd guess that all of the telemetry data, visual data,etc is getting sent to mission control via radio link. What's the outlook email even for?

It's so HR can remind them to complete their yearly NASA ethics trainings on time.

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Obligatory Linux comment when speaking about Microsoft, windows or anything related. I don't have Linux but you guys make it hard to like it.

I run Outlook in Wine or on the Web on Linux in a VM on Mac and make everyone mad.

Aaaaarrrrrrhhhhh !

You crazy mad man, are you trying to start a world war ??

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Discussion of the MIME part’s encoding as being an inefficient size is missing the forest for the trees. The entire message is (or can be) compressed before transmission (eg. When IMAP has DEFLATE enabled). Just because an intermediate encoding step expands binary to make it text safe doesn’t mean it has to stay uncompressed during the entire existence of that MIMe message.

But without the intermediate encoding step the compression would give a better result.

Unlikely. If you are talking about adding headers, or encryption, then yeah the compression might give worse result, it's due to more input data and/or encryption increasing the entropy of the signal. Otherwise, transparent encoding should not affect any decent compression algorithms, where frequency and entropy are leveraged.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…

Neither outlook nor thunderbird. Best option would be some web browser based email + local web server (on board)

A modern browser is much more complicated and heavier than the old Outlook, and probably the latest Outlook too.
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