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ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by consp »

Den_VR wrote: post #283
PunchyHamster wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Scraping static content from a website at near-zero marginal cost to its server, vs scraping an expensive LLM service provided for free, are different things. I bet people being fucking DDOSed by AI bots disagree Also the fucking ignorance assuming it's "static content" and not something needing code running

I miss the www where the .html was written in vim or notepad.

Just did that for a test frontend for a module I needed to build (not my primary job so don't know anything about UI but running in browsers was a requirement), so basic HTML with the bare minimum of JS and all DOM. Colleagues were very surprized. And yes, vim is still the goto editor and will be for a long time now all "IDE" are pushing "AI" slop everywhere.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by tekawade »

MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

Hey Nick, I find it concerning this account is. Frayed just to comment on this thread. And never even reply back to any of the real concerns.

Here to hoping this is real person and actually created account out of concern and sharing.

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Post by tedsanders »

mystraline wrote: post #171
vkou wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. How can first-party products protect themselves from abuse by OpenAI's bots and scraping?

This is a completely in-scope question. How do we defend against your scraping, OpenAI? I dont want any of my content scraped or seen by you all. Frankly, fuck you all for thinking my content is owned by you.

It's documented here: https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/bots

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by sph »

WatchDog wrote: post #230
lxgr wrote: post #142

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So the stable state here is all humans eventually being locked out? (Bots are getting better every day; I doubt the same is true for all humans, including those with weird browsers or networks unwilling to install some dystopian Cloudflare "Internet passport".) But hey, at least some bots are also not making it past Cloudflare!

The inevitability is that these kinds of services just won't be offered without identifying yourself. Claude's free tier requires a phone number just to try it.

PRISM as a Service.

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Post by chronc6393 »

0dayman wrote: post #164
MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

Hi Nick, your software is a horrendous encroachment on users' privacy and its quality is subpar to those of us who know what we're working with. We don't use your product here.

> Hi Nick, your software is a horrendous encroachment on users' privacy and its quality is subpar to those of us who know what we're working with. We don't use your product here.

It’s ok, OpenAI is cooked.

Feel bad for anyone who joined OAI in the past 12 months. Their RSU ain’t going to be worth much later this year. IPO is too late.

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by tedsanders »

littlestymaar wrote: post #333
raincole wrote: post #319

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Quite sure even literal thieves would consider thievery a form of abuse.

Yeah, they know it's bad, they just don't think the rules apply to them.

For what it's worth, the big AI companies do have opt out mechanisms for scraping and search.

OpenAI documents how to opt out of scraping here: https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/bots

Anthropic documents how to opt out of scraping here: https://privacy.claude.com/en/articles/8896518-does-anthropi...

I'm not sure if Gemini lets you opt out without also delisting you from Google search rankings.

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Post by egorfine »

MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

Paying customer since inception here.

I presume the local ChatGPT.app has even more measures to prevent automation, right? Presumably privacy-invasive ones as it is customary these days?

Is there a way I can opt out? I really, really, really don't like it.

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Post by axegon_ »

Imnimo wrote: post #149
MyNameIsNickT wrote: post #49

Hey! I'm Nick, and I work on Integrity at OpenAI. These checks are part of how we protect our first-party products from abuse like bots, scraping, fraud, and other attempts to misuse the platform. A big reason we invest in this is because we want to keep free and logged-out access available for more users. My team’s goal is to help make sure the limited GPU resources are going to real users. We also keep a very close…

It's interesting to me that OpenAI considers scraping to be a form of abuse.

The levels of irony that shouldn't be possible...

Re: ChatGPT won't let you type until Cloudflare reads your React state

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Post by lazycouchpotato »

lxgr wrote: post #14

It's absurd how unusable Cloudflare is making the web when using a browser or IP address they consider "suspicious". I've lately been drowning in captchas for the crime of using Firefox. All in the interest of "bot protection", of course.

At times I'm completely locked out of a website and Cloudflare asks me to email the website owner to get the issue resolved.

.. how do they expect me to find the website owner's email if I can't access said website?

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