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Re: Hold on to Your Hardware

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Look at the way age gating is going in a global coordinated push. Can control of compute be far behind? It wasn't my primary motivator but it hasn't made me regret my decision. I hummed and hawed on it for a good few months myself.

> Can control of compute be far behind? How is this going to work? You need uncontrolled compute for developing software. Any country locking up that ability too much will lose to those who don't.

>You need uncontrolled compute for developing software

Oh you sweet summer child :(

You think our best and brightest aren't already working on that problem?

In fact they've fucking aced it, as has been widely celebrated on this website for years at this point.

All that remains is getting the rest of the world to buy in, hahahaha.

But I laugh unfairly and bitterly; getting people to buy in is in fact easiest.

Just put 'em in the pincer of attention/surveillance economy (make desire mandatory again!).

And then offer their ravaged intellectual and emotional lives the barest semblance of meaning, of progress, of the self-evident truth of reason.

And magic happens.

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To digress. What you said is not unlike "you need uncontrolled thought for (writing books/recording music/shooting movies/etc)".

That's a sweet sentiment, innit?

Except it's being disproved daily by several global slop-publishing industries that exist since before personal computing.

Making a blockbuster movie, recording a pop hit, or publishing the kind of book you can buy at an airport, all employ millions of people; including many who seem to do nothing particularly comprehensible besides knowing people who know people... It reminds me of the Chinese Brain experiment a great deal.

Incidentally, those industries taught you most of what you know about "how to human"; their products were also a staple in the lives of your parents; and your grandparents... if you're the average bougieprole, anyway.

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Anyway, what do you think the purpose of LLMs even is?

What's the supposed endgame of this entire coordinated push to stop instructing the computer (with all the "superhuman" exactitude this requires); and instead begin to "build" software by asking nicely?

Btw, no matter how hard we ignore some things, what's happening does not pertain only to software; also affected are prose, sound, video, basically all electronic media... permit yourself your one unfounded generalization for the day, and tell me - do you begin to get where this is going?

Not "compute" (the industrial resource) but computing (the individual activity) is politically sensitive: programming is a hands-on course in epistemics; and epistemics, in turn, teaches fearless disobedience.

There's a lot of money riding on fearless disobedience remaining a niche hobby. And if there's more money riding on anything else in the world right now, I'd like an accredited source to tell me what the hell that would be.

Think for two fucking seconds and once you're done screaming come join the resistance.

Re: Hold on to Your Hardware

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It's super cool that this site changes the tab name to NSFW phrases when you switch off of it, and then pops up a rambling chastisement to turn of JS in your browser. Even cooler when I use HN to legitimately keep up with tech news at work and it does it on my work computer where I share my screen in meetings. Domain blocked. Don't erode user trust for your crusade. Moron.

Re: Hold on to Your Hardware

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when you click away to another tab, the title and favicon of the page changes to something weird , but really legit looking. a couple of my favorites: "rust programming socks - Google", "Amazon.com: waifu pillow", "Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up", "censorship on hacker news - Google"

Went to try it out myself and the very first one I got was the HN icon and "The internet used to be fun".

Re: Hold on to Your Hardware

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I just realized that this blog site is pretending to be malware. I opened the tab and was constantly switching between the blog and writing this HN comment (I deleted the rest of the comment after realizing it) and was wondering where the tab went and kept opening it over and over again, then I realized that it completely rewrote the tab title with NSFW content (one of the title contained the world "nudes" with a fak…

The pop-up is about disabling javascript, to avoid this kind of website doing this kind of thing. I thought it was clever. But it also seems ham-fisted, and in poor taste.

It's not clever when people use HN at work. It's a complete erosion of user trust and could legitimately get someone fired. You think HR wants to hear oh no it was an object lesson in not using javascript. That's why I was searching for nudes on the work computer when I shared my screen at that meeting, not realizing some moron had programmatically changed the tab name when I clicked off. This domain needs banned. It's not operating in good faith, or in touch with the reality of the damage it could be doing.

Re: Hold on to Your Hardware

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I don't buy the central thesis of the article. We won't be in a supply crunch forever. However, I do believe that we're at an inflection point where DC hardware is diverging rapidly from consumer compute. Most consumers are using laptops and laptops are not keeping pace with where the frontier is in a singular compute node. Laptops are increasingly just clients for someone else's compute that you rent, or buy a time…

I think you're probably right, but I'm not so confident the supply crunch will end.

Tech feels increasingly fragile with more and more consolidation. We have a huge chunk of advanced chip manufacturing situated on a tiny island off the coast of a rising superpower that hates that island being independent. Fabs in general are so expensive that you need a huge market to justify building one. That market is there, for now. But it doesn't seem like there's much redundancy. If there's an economic shock, like, I dunno, 20% of the world's oil supply suddenly being blockaded, I worry that could tip things into a death spiral instead.

Re: Hold on to Your Hardware

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Laptops are increasingly just clients for someone else's compute Are you kidding? Apple's mobile chips are now delivering perf that AMD & intel desktop never could or did.

> Apple's mobile chips are now delivering perf that AMD & intel desktop never could or did. Most applications don't make aggressive use of the SIMD instructions that modern x86 chips offer, thus you get this impression. :-(

Users do not care why the perf they get is what they get. What good is AVX2048 if nobody uses it?

Re: Hold on to Your Hardware

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I don't buy the central thesis of the article. We won't be in a supply crunch forever. However, I do believe that we're at an inflection point where DC hardware is diverging rapidly from consumer compute. Most consumers are using laptops and laptops are not keeping pace with where the frontier is in a singular compute node. Laptops are increasingly just clients for someone else's compute that you rent, or buy a time…

> "I personally dropped $20k on a high end desktop" This absolutely boggles my mind. Do you mind if I ask what type of computing you do in order to justify this purchase to yourself?

Any and all. It's not particularly justifiable. It's more like, I'm a software engineer, and this is my home workshop. I run dozens of services, experiment with a bunch of different LLMs, tune my Postgres instance for good performance on large datasets, run ML data prep pipelines. All sorts really.

I'm also into motorcycles. Before I owned a house with a garage, I had to continuously pack my tools up and unpack them the next day. A bigger project meant schlepping parts in and out of the house. I had to keep track of the weather to work on my bikes.

Then, when I got a house, I made sure to get one with a garage and power. It transformed my experience. I was able to leave projects in situ until I had time. I had a place to put all my tools.

The workstation is a lot like that. The alternative would be renting. But then I'd spend a lot of my time schlepping data back and forth, investing in setting things up and tearing them down.

YMMV. I wouldn't dream of trying to universalize my experience.

Re: Hold on to Your Hardware

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, as long as they can make electricity too cheap to meter, we can get helium from somewhere . Mine it from LNG sources currently untapped due to EROI < 1, or ship it from the goddamn Moon - ultimately, every problem in life (except that of human heart) can be solved with cheap energy.

Fusion power that uses steam turbines to convert heat into electricity will be more expensive than solar/wind

Only if we first colonize the Solar System, so land becomes too cheap to meter too.

Re: Hold on to Your Hardware

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This article inspired me to look and see what this computer is. Apparently it is a "AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 250 Processor" from 2009. So 17 years old. It has 8 GB of DDR3 memory and runs at 3 GHz. It currently has OpenBSD on it, but at least one source thinks it could run Windows 10. The fact that I didn't know any of this is what is significant here. At some point I stopped caring about this sort of thing. It really do…

Did any of the components fail over time? HDD/SSD? Pretty surprising to have this thing still be working 17 years later, unless it spent a good chunk of that in 'cold storage'.

Well it has a SSD in it now so it must have gone through at least one actual hard drive...
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