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The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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No, the European Council is suppose to represent the interest of the member states. The European Commission is suppose to be the executive of the European Union. Translating to the USA system, it would be like saying that the White House is suppose to represent the USA states. No, It's suppose to represent the interest of Europe as an entity. Any introduction to democracy explains that the power is separated in the e…

No, this is a discussion about the "unelected" European Commission. I haven't mentioned the European Council because it is irrelevant. The European Commission is formed of representatives of the individual states. They are NOT representatives of the citizens, other than by proxy. YOUR government can request that THEIR representative raise or support legislation among the commission. If you have a problem with your co…

The fact that you think that the Commission represent the states members instead of the interest of the European Union shows how mess up and contradictory the system is. The Council is the body that represent the state members.

You probably think that, because the commission is composed by representatives of every country, but they are "bound by their oath of office to represent the interest of the EU as a whole rather than their home state". That in itself is already contradictory. Those representatives are not elected officials but are the more powerful in the system.

The European Commission is the executive branch of the European Union. In not sane system, the executive branch is in charge of proposing legislation, because that make the all 'separation of powers' concept useless.

>>"How would YOU propose that the EU work to be "more democratic" - while also considering that your government needs to be involved and influential?"

Well, or you give the parliament real legislative and budgetary powers or all the system is a farce and you should dissolve it. If you want to keep the interest of individual countries in the process you need another chamber, elected by the people, that would represent the national interests.

Not only the system is undemocratic but it's winning power. The European Council can sanction you because doesn't like what you are saying without any judicial supervision. The budget is used to blackmail countries that don't agree with the commission views. Even the European Central Bank was used for blackmailing Greece in the Debt crisis of 2011. If that's democracy, the word democracy has not meaning anymore.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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No, but I vote for the Prime Minister. I don't vote for the European Commissioner or the President of the Council. What's idiotic is presenting these are the same.

You don't vote for Prime Minister. Either Parliament votes for a Prime Minister or your country messed up the translation of President.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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> This one is EU I think... You misspelled Palantir.

Tolkien had a lot of other catchy names which are yet unused. EU can create it's own Angband or Ungoliant spying corporation :) .

Gorgoroth sounds about right.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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I am the creator of Fight Chat Control. Thank you for sharing. It is unfortunately, once again, needed. The recent events have been rather dumbfounding. On March 11, the Parliament surprisingly voted to replace blanket mass surveillance with targeted monitoring of suspects following judicial involvement [0]. As Council refused to compromise, the trilogue negotiations were set to fail, thus allowing the Commission's c…

Is there any point in fighting it given that they will rename, repackage and resubmit the legislation in mere days if it doesn't pass? Don't get me wrong: my blood boils reading those legislations, but rationally I don't see a path to victory here.

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Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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It seems the vote passed [1], meaning the existing Regulation [(EU) 2021/1232] was _extended_ until August 3 2027, with some amendments to the previous text: - added targeted scanning requirement - scanning must be “targeted, specified and limited… where there are reasonable grounds of suspicion… identified by a judicial authority” [1] https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/TA-10-2026-007...

That should completely change the regulation from mass surveillance to targeted wiretapping with a warrant.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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post #66

I am the creator of Fight Chat Control. Thank you for sharing. It is unfortunately, once again, needed. The recent events have been rather dumbfounding. On March 11, the Parliament surprisingly voted to replace blanket mass surveillance with targeted monitoring of suspects following judicial involvement [0]. As Council refused to compromise, the trilogue negotiations were set to fail, thus allowing the Commission's c…

Can we start organizing a strike of tech workers already? Pretty please? Just say the word.

Maybe reach out to Signal to implement some kind of one-way channel so you can reach people easily?

We need to put actual pressure on those fascists. Next time they even mention it, we flood the council website with an identical search query, say "Does no mean yes after all?" and if they persist, we strike for couple days.

Re: The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos

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post #66

I am the creator of Fight Chat Control. Thank you for sharing. It is unfortunately, once again, needed. The recent events have been rather dumbfounding. On March 11, the Parliament surprisingly voted to replace blanket mass surveillance with targeted monitoring of suspects following judicial involvement [0]. As Council refused to compromise, the trilogue negotiations were set to fail, thus allowing the Commission's c…

Fair play x775, I'm currently moving lots of EU and UK projects away from US-owned and/or sited infrastructure. There is a huge marketing push from the EU cloud providers to display their sovereign wares. Maybe us Europeans need to make them more aware of how futile it is to move to EU companies if there are laws equal-to or more pernicious than the US CLOUD Act? A dozen large EU tech companies will sadly exert more pressure on EU lawmakers than trying to explain to 500 million normal people how a law that looks like it will protect children is a smokescreen and terrible for civil liberties.
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