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FCC updates covered list to include foreign-made consumer routers

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Re: FCC updates covered list to include foreign-made consumer routers

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Post by kdheiwns »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #330
cute_boi wrote: post #323

this administration is going nuts day by day. I don't know how people are even tolerating.

The people who can leave are leaving, those who cannot remain until potential change is possible. Bloomberg Editorial Board: The US Must Not Become a Nation of Emigrants - https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2026-03-20/immigr... | https://archive.today/a9DbM - March 20th, 2026 > A recent analysis found that US emigration has reached unprecedented levels. Much of this exodus is due to the administration’s depor…

I'm one who left before term one because I anticipated bad things happening. Term 2 is far worse than even my worst expectations. So far I have 2 good friends who left, and a few others got remote jobs and are currently working towards leaving. There's a whole world out there and a lot of it is great. I recommend trying a year outside to everyone I know, and I'm confident most people will be happy (excluding those who like seeing their extended families on a weekly basis, which many people do)

Re: FCC updates covered list to include foreign-made consumer routers

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Post by yabones »

tombert wrote: post #334

Seems like now is as good a time as any for people who know how to do this to build their own routers with Pfsense, Opnsense, ClearOS, or one of the many other firewall/router distros out there. You can get an old desktop or laptop that's more than good enough to be a router for basically nothing (or sometimes literally nothing) on Craigslist or Ebay. I suspect pretty much anyone who frequents this forum could probab…

Even easier, just throw together some iptables rules & install dnsmasq. Obviously out of reach of most non-techy people but it's not much worse than most self-hosted things people build. I've even done it with USB-Ethernet dongles.

Maybe "whitebox" stuff will have a moment here. Buy a ARM based "computer" that just happens to have a built in switch and 802.11 radio, and separately purchase an SD card with the OS on it.

Or, perhaps this will be VyOS's time to shine... https://vyos.io/

Can't really see anything really happening in the consumer space, but maybe business/enterprise will move in one direction or another.

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Post by Shalomboy »

russdill wrote: post #349
toomuchtodo wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people who can leave are leaving, those who cannot remain until potential change is possible. Bloomberg Editorial Board: The US Must Not Become a Nation of Emigrants - https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2026-03-20/immigr... | https://archive.today/a9DbM - March 20th, 2026 > A recent analysis found that US emigration has reached unprecedented levels. Much of this exodus is due to the administration’s depor…

I take the Michael Bolton attitude, why should I leave, he's the one that sucks. There are elections coming up.

are there though?

Re: FCC updates covered list to include foreign-made consumer routers

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

pixl97 wrote: post #295
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How on earth is embedded creds in any way: "no known bugs"? You misunderstand how organizational knowledge works. You see, it doesn't. Some embeds the credentials, someone else ships the product. The first person doesn't even necessarily still work there at that point. Remember that time NASA sent a Mars orbiter to Mars and then immediately crashed it because some of them were using pounds and the others newtons? L…

>Some embeds the credentials, someone else ships the product. It doesn't matter. When you are building software, you build a security process, not security individuals or stuff like this happens. >orbiter to Mars and then immediately crashed Right, and it cost NASA 1.4 billion+ is direct losses to them. With software writers the losses occur to the end user.

> When you are building software, you build a security process, not security individuals or stuff like this happens.

You can't solve an incentive problem with process because then they lack the incentive to follow the process.

To enforce a law you need to be able to identify a violation at a point in time when you can still impose a penalty for it. When a device is first released, you don't yet know if anyone will find a vulnerability in it or if the company will stay around to update it if they do. By the time you find out if it will happen, you can't punish them for the same reason they can't provide updates: they've ceased operations and no longer exist. So that doesn't work.

> With software writers the losses occur to the end user.

Which is why the end user needs to be empowered to efficiently prevent the losses, since they're the one with the strongest incentive to do it.

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Post by mattkrause »

petcat wrote: post #344
cute_boi wrote: post #323

this administration is going nuts day by day. I don't know how people are even tolerating.

It has nothing to do with the current administration. The Secure Equipment Act was passed in 2021 and signed into law by Joe Biden. > This law requires the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to issue rules stating that it will no longer review or approve any authorization application for equipment that poses an unacceptable risk to national security. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Equipment_Act

That's not entirely true.

The Secure Equipment Act itself was passed in 2021, but the law itself doesn't proscribe any particular equipment or manufacturers. Instead, tells the FCC to create a list and delegates listing duties to various parts of the executive branch (national security agencies, Commerce, the Federal Acquisition Security Council). That's what changed yesterday and it was in fact done by the current administration.

Re: FCC updates covered list to include foreign-made consumer routers

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Post by MiiMe19 »

sonar_un wrote: post #365
cheriot wrote: post #340

Can't wait to see the price of the first US made home router. We [USA] really need a formal designation of trusted supply chain partners. Would improve security and make a useful bargaining chip.

No one would trust a US made router for fears of backdoors. Even if they did manage to make one, the market would be minuscule for it.

but they trust routers from china?
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