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Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by noemit »

anonym29 wrote: post #118
noemit wrote: post #45

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I must be alone in this but I don't think its heavily subsidized. I see their models as really overpriced. No way they cost that much. Could they really?

Cost to the business and price to customers are not the same thing. Even if it cost Anthropic nothing to run any of these (it actually costs quite a bit in electricity, infrastructure, ops teams to keep everything running smoothly, and above all else, extraordinary R&D expenses to develop the models), they could set the price at a million dollars per token if they wanted to. That clarified: yes, every major lab is lo…

How are open weight models so much cheaper then?

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by noemit »

danny_codes wrote: post #104
noemit wrote: post #33

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Dario has stated multiple times he doesn't believe there is any value in open-weight models. Not surprised. This is not the behavior of an innovative company - it is fear-driven. They are seeing a rapidly shrinking moat.

This exactly. Kimi 2.5 has coding performance hardly discernible from Claude. The only way to maintain a business edge is to crush open source clients to force people into a closed ecosystem. Once there, create context moat where people are not in control of their own context data (cannot export it to open tooling). Maybe we can call it the Oracle play? It’ll be interesting to see if companies get tricked. I think it…

I agree. Kimi K2.5 is basically a clone. But also GPT 5.4 has replaced Opus for me. I have unlimited access to all of the proprietary models so I really only make the choice based on convenience.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by ninjagoo »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #341
orf wrote: post #287

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I mean just use them and compare, the gap is obvious.

I did, and I fixed Qwen's issues with trivial sampling and loop detection hacks. If I can do this, then a company that wants to sell local models seriously could do it too.

> I did, and I fixed Qwen's issues with trivial sampling and loop detection hacks.

Wow, that's amazing! Care to share the changes? Would love to try them out.

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by unshavedyak »

achompas wrote: post #268
unshavedyak wrote: post #245

Anyone know why OpenCode is integrating to ClaudeCode in the manner they were? Ie CC gives you an SDK, and i get the impression that Anthropic is fine with you using whatever external tools you want with the SDK .. otherwise why'd they publish an SDK? So if CC has an SDK, why doesn't OC just use the SDK? I assume there's some functional reason why it doesn't perform to their needs? Maybe it's not low level enough? I'…

The problem isn’t the SDK but the API usage. Users will say this-or-that about choice etc etc. It’s about subsidized tokens. Otherwise th users (and OpenCode) would have stopped pushing the workarounds months ago.

> The problem isn’t the SDK but the API usage.

Yes, i completely agree - which was my question. To my understanding OC was using CC API directly instead of using the SDK. My question is, why? Does the SDK prevent some functionality they needed?

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by runako »

TiredOfLife wrote: post #345
runako wrote: post #323

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It could reasonably cause confusion in the marketplace. Again, IANAL. If you wanted to find out the actual legal arguments, you could release and promote software for white-collar workers called Mycrosoft Offyce and I am sure you will get official legal answers from Microsoft's counsel.

How? Two completely different names.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47449751

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by hermanzegerman »

achompas wrote: post #259
malisper wrote: post #188

Since there's a lot of questions about what this means, let me explain. Anthropic has two different products that are relevant here: the Claude API and Claude Code. The Claude API has usage based pricing. The more you use, the more you pay. With Claude Code, you can get a monthly subscription which gives you a fixed amount of usage. Comparing equivalent token generation between the Claude API and Claude Code, Claude…

Yep, well said and great, sharp explanation. I think we can attribute a bunch of consternation here to drift between assumed and actual licensing terms. The actual licensing terms for Claude Code expressly prohibit use of the product outside of the Claude Code harness. If you want Opus outside of CC, the API is available for your use anytime. Some percentage of the community seems to assume their Claude Code subscrip…

They can't take any legal action outside of the US. In most other jurisdiction such Bullshit in the ToS would be void anyway

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by otabdeveloper4 »

ninjagoo wrote: post #373
otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did, and I fixed Qwen's issues with trivial sampling and loop detection hacks. If I can do this, then a company that wants to sell local models seriously could do it too.

> I did, and I fixed Qwen's issues with trivial sampling and loop detection hacks. Wow, that's amazing! Care to share the changes? Would love to try them out.

It's not amazing at all.

What's amazing is that LLM technologies are so immature that even basic engineering diligence isn't being done. (Like detecting token loops, for example.)

Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode

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Post by hooverd »

bitpush wrote: post #236
croes wrote: post #205

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You pay for snacks in the cinema and they lose money if you buy elsewhere. Where does Anthropic lose money when I use OpenCode?

This has been explained many times in this thread. Your subscription to Claude models for use in Claude Code is subsidized. That is, it is only meant to be used with that harness. When you use that API key with OpenCode, you're circumventing that.

The AI companies can spare their whining about contempt of business model. They're selling a service.
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