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Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by a_victorp »

cityofdelusion wrote: post #188
resiros wrote: post #119

Not sure I agree with the AI edited comments. Using AI to improve the readability and clarity is fine. Sometimes a well structured comment is much better than a braindump that reads like ramblings. And AI is quite good at it (and probably will get better). To make the point, here is how this comment would have looked if edited: "I don't fully agree with banning AI-edited comments. Using AI to improve readability and…

Non-edited is better. It flows and reads faster. The AI sentences they feel clinical and sterile. They feel, well, like AI.

I had never noticed the flow of AI text. They do make the flow of reading feel weird with a lot of pauses! Thanks for pointing it out

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

safog wrote: post #80
iammjm wrote: post #15

I believe the issue of proving who is and who isn't really human on the Internet will be a really important issue in the coming years, especially without sacrificing people's right to privacy and anonymity in the process.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't think a privacy friendly alternative is going to exist. It's going to go the way of show me your drivers license to use my site.

Invite trees approximately solve this problem. I don't need to know who you are to know that someone in good standing in the community invited you.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by tenahu »

meiuqer wrote: post #191

I feel a little bit of irony in this post of a company/forum that is asking its users to not use AI while simultaneously trying to fund countless companies that are responsible for ruining the internet as we speak.

Yes a bit ironic, but I am glad they can see that there are times to use AI, and times for human interaction.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by dormento »

chapz wrote: post #255

TIL people use AI to generate comments to write in posts. Faith in humanity not destroyed, because it was never there to begin with.

Kind of a drag isn't it? I want to learn a new language.... but why would I, since we'll have an earpiece or glasses or whathaveyou that translates in realtime. I want to learn to play an instrument, but why would I, since we have sonos? I would like to go back to drawing, but why, when the importance people ascribe to art is at an all time low? Makes me depressed jsut to think about it.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by doe88 »

humanfromearth9 wrote: post #357

Sometimes, an AI helps articulate an idea or an intuition. Is that okay, or is it too much already?

Sometimes life is also to let it express partial, unfinished ideas, opinions and maybe later let our brain refine them on its own tempo. It never has been uncommon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27esprit_de_l%27escalier

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by polotics »

d4mi3n wrote: post #127
nkzd wrote: post #114

What if English is my second language? Undoubtedly being well spoken is associated with higher class. Your arguments will come of as stronger to the reader.

Humans have a tendency to ascribe intelligence to how well spoken a person or thing is—hence all the personification of LLMs.

I am sorry but this very broad statement is dated, pre 2023 I think.

I now expect malapropism, hacker curtness, and implicits: TAIDR is the new TLDR.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by fidorka »

To confess something I built just today a little cron that monitors HN for posts I might find interesting, pulls in some context about me, and proposes a reply. Just to help me find relevant posts and to kick start my thinking if I want to engage.

Today it flagged a post about an AI tool for HN and suggested I reply with:

"honestly, if you need an AI to sift through hn, you might be missing the point—this place is about the human touch. but hey, maybe it'll help some folks who just can't take the noise anymore."

So my AI, which I built specifically to sift through HN for me, is telling me to go flame someone else for doing that.

No deeper point here. I just thought it was really funny.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by caconym_ »

GMoromisato wrote: post #272

I'm here to read what actual humans think. If I wanted to read what an LLM thinks, I could just ask it. But here's where it gets tricky: Do I prefer low-effort, off-the-top-of-my-head reactions, as long as it is human? Or do I want an insightful, well-thought-out response, even if it is LLM-enhanced? Am I here to read authentic humans because I value authenticity for its own sake (like preferring Champagne instead of…

What is the value of this "output"? If I want to know what LLMs think about something, I can go ask an LLM any question I want. For a comment on [a site like] HN, either the substantive content of the comment originated inside a human mind, or there is no substantive content that I couldn't reproduce by feeding the comment's context into an LLM. At the extreme, I don't have any interest in reading or participating in a conversation between a bunch of LLMs.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by bhhaskin »

gr8tyeah wrote: post #363
abtinf wrote: post #67

Good. This helps establish it in the HN culture. That’s the purpose of guidelines. 99% of rule enforcement, both IRL and online, comes down to individuals accepting the culture. Rules aren’t really for adversaries, they are for ordinary situations. Adversaries are dealt with differently.

This is only meaningful if enough people read it and agree

Nah they are pretty good a banning users that don't follow the guidelines.

Re: Don't post generated/AI-edited comments. HN is for conversation between humans

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Post by abtinf »

gr8tyeah wrote: post #363
abtinf wrote: post #67

Good. This helps establish it in the HN culture. That’s the purpose of guidelines. 99% of rule enforcement, both IRL and online, comes down to individuals accepting the culture. Rules aren’t really for adversaries, they are for ordinary situations. Adversaries are dealt with differently.

This is only meaningful if enough people read it and agree

That’s true. Fortunately, by virtue of it being added to the guidelines, quite a few folks here are prepared to reply to obviously generated comments by simply citing and linking the rule. Just search for “shallow dismissal” to see many examples.

It will take time, but eventually everyone will know about it.

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