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Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by hermanzegerman »

nradov wrote: post #347
BenjiWiebe wrote: post #324

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I can't deposit checks over the website, and I use a bank with no physical locations near me.

That's true, but the notion that we're still using paper checks in 2026 is so crazy. And yet they remain the cheapest way to handle many transactions in the US financial system. Like a lot of small healthcare providers still prefer to receive paper checks from insurance companies because the electronic payment processors take a 3% fee.

Why won't they just use Bank Transfers? Using Checks or Credit Cards for Payments between companies sounds completely insane and stupid

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by [deleted] »

akdev1l wrote: post #116
microtonal wrote: post #92

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The impact is a direct threat to independent AOSP distributions like Murena's e/OS/ (which I'm personally using). I don't think this is true, right? An AOSP build can just decide to still allow installing arbitrary APKs. Also see this post from the GrapheneOS team: https://mastodon.social/@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social/116103...

You can’t really do that long-term as Google will change code that will not match however you are not enforcing this policy So at the very least you’d have to keep patches up to date. Long term divergence could be enough that’s it’s just a hard fork and/or Google changes so much that the maintainer can’t keep the patches working at the same pace I couldn’t read your link as it asks to join mastodon.social

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Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by cantalopes »

Markoff wrote: post #355
edent wrote: post #330

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My bank sends me an alert when my card is used to make a transaction - handy for spotting fraud. I get an alert when a payment comes it - handy for knowing if a client has paid. I can quickly check my balance - handy for knowing if I can afford another round of drinks. I can repay a friend in two taps - handy if they've paid for dinner. Is anything essential? No. Is it something people use multiple times per day? Yes…

I can get alerts in email or messages, no need dedicated app for that, I can track there also my balance, so only useful thing app provides are easy wire transfers from phone, which I never do, if I wanna transfer money is much more convenient work big display, proper keyboard and mouse than from phone.

"if I wanna transfer money is much more convenient work big display, proper keyboard and mouse than from phone"

You realize how ridiculous this sounds, right?

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by mistercheph »

cwillu wrote: post #299
arcanemachiner wrote: post #148

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If this finally pushes adoption of truly open Linux phones, then this will end up being a good thing, and the greatest favor that Google could do for the open source community. Tragically, Linux phones have languished and are in an absolute state these days, but a lot of the building blocks are in place if user adoption occurs en masse. (Shout out to the lunatics who have kept this dream alive during these dark years…

It won't though, because there's a ecosystem of banking/insurance/whatever apps that have bought into the android/iphone lockdown mindsete that people will simply be locked out of. Open alternatives can grow when there is a viable means of slow growth, and cutting off the oxygen to such things is the implicit intent.

LMFAO what are you doing on your banking app all the time

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by mhitza »

cwillu wrote: post #299
arcanemachiner wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this finally pushes adoption of truly open Linux phones, then this will end up being a good thing, and the greatest favor that Google could do for the open source community. Tragically, Linux phones have languished and are in an absolute state these days, but a lot of the building blocks are in place if user adoption occurs en masse. (Shout out to the lunatics who have kept this dream alive during these dark years…

It won't though, because there's a ecosystem of banking/insurance/whatever apps that have bought into the android/iphone lockdown mindsete that people will simply be locked out of. Open alternatives can grow when there is a viable means of slow growth, and cutting off the oxygen to such things is the implicit intent.

In that case a two phone approach makes sense. I was willing to try that out, to give Ubuntu Touch a trial on my main phone. This might incentivise it even further for an off-ramp of the Google/Apple duopoly.

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by mistercheph »

spacebuffer wrote: post #161
arcanemachiner wrote: post #148

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If this finally pushes adoption of truly open Linux phones, then this will end up being a good thing, and the greatest favor that Google could do for the open source community. Tragically, Linux phones have languished and are in an absolute state these days, but a lot of the building blocks are in place if user adoption occurs en masse. (Shout out to the lunatics who have kept this dream alive during these dark years…

For me as a desktop linux poweruser, I find this potential transition pretty intimidating, I've never flashed a phone with a custom rom let alone switch to a completely different OS, and I am not sure if the phone can even be reset to its original OS, if things go south.

Don't worry if you're not ready, just as on the desktop, there are pioneers ahead of you that will clear the way <3

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by mistercheph »

observationist wrote: post #258
arcanemachiner wrote: post #148

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If this finally pushes adoption of truly open Linux phones, then this will end up being a good thing, and the greatest favor that Google could do for the open source community. Tragically, Linux phones have languished and are in an absolute state these days, but a lot of the building blocks are in place if user adoption occurs en masse. (Shout out to the lunatics who have kept this dream alive during these dark years…

Even if you have linux, there are still third parties that have control over your hardware. Even if you're using graphenos, you can't block the sim or the cellular radio stack, and likely other modules on the SoC, from at-will access to every sensor on the device. You can at least protect your files, unless there's a mitm or other vector that graphenos can't cope with. And at worst, they can simply clone all your enc…

What a lame and useless doomer POV. Do you refuse to go outside because a lightning strike could kill you at any instant? Why let things that aren't in your control (yet) stop you from taking control of the things you can now?

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

Markoff wrote: post #355
edent wrote: post #330

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My bank sends me an alert when my card is used to make a transaction - handy for spotting fraud. I get an alert when a payment comes it - handy for knowing if a client has paid. I can quickly check my balance - handy for knowing if I can afford another round of drinks. I can repay a friend in two taps - handy if they've paid for dinner. Is anything essential? No. Is it something people use multiple times per day? Yes…

I can get alerts in email or messages, no need dedicated app for that, I can track there also my balance, so only useful thing app provides are easy wire transfers from phone, which I never do, if I wanna transfer money is much more convenient work big display, proper keyboard and mouse than from phone.

You actually check your email regularly? How much effort does it really take to transfer a balance on a phone?

For Bank Of America it’s:

1. Click on “pay & transfer”

2. Click on “transfer”

3. Click on “From” and choose account

4. click on “to” and choose account

Then type in the amount and and click on the date?

Is it really that much easier on a computer?

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by mistercheph »

dmitrygr wrote: post #105
ruuda wrote: post #8

I contacted the EU DMA team about my concerns and got a real reply within 24 hours. Not just an automated message, it looked like a real human read my message and wrote a reply. I'd urge other EU citizens to do the same.

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party B doesn't have "intellectual property" except by the dictum of party A, what is party B's problem, why would they make party A do that?

Re: Keep Android Open

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

b00ty4breakfast wrote: post #370
Markoff wrote: post #355

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I can get alerts in email or messages, no need dedicated app for that, I can track there also my balance, so only useful thing app provides are easy wire transfers from phone, which I never do, if I wanna transfer money is much more convenient work big display, proper keyboard and mouse than from phone.

We've cultivated a tech culture that can't stand the slightest inconvenience. People will give up nearly everything if it means avoiding the least bit of effort. We are so boned

So yes if it weren’t for people wanting convenience the “Year of Linux on the Desktop” would have happened 25 years ago.

What do you suggest? Everyone carry around their desktop computers and our CRT monitors like we did when we wanted to play Quake with friends?

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