This clown couldn't be bothered to write their own blog post about the suitability of European infrastructure and instead, ironically, outsourced it to a US-based AI giant, Claude/Anthropic.
I flagged his submission for being AI.
I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure
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Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure
#372Earlier quoted context omitted.
it's a super cheap "CDN" that runs on Hetzner and random hosts or their colo, it's not as proper as the other ones. for anything DMCA heavy maybe just buying dedicated servers or something instead could work?
they use datapacket/cdn77, no?
they run on a blend of everything depending on the region from my experience. Hetzner is one of the providers they use
Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure
#373Thank you for this. I'm in Europe with an established SaaS that's been running in production for years and I've converged on a similar stack (OVHCloud instead of Hetzner). However, I've realized you can stay sovereign and independent in any jurisdiction (not just Europe) just by simplifying your stack and running a few baremetal servers in-house. Just buy a few Mac Studios and run them in-house with power supply back…
> Managed databases are a scam. I, too, once believed this. Then I had the displeasure of watching a $10,000 server fail during Christmas travel (about 20 years ago now). A single RAID drive failed. Then, during the rebuild, a second drive failed. Then the RAID controller itself failed catastrophically, losing all the RAID volume metadata. When we restored from backup, we discovered that the sysadmin who had just qui…
Yes, but a complete hardware mirror is only 2x the original cap. investment.
If bandwidth allows, you could even have local mirror in your office.
Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure
#374Earlier quoted context omitted.
How does dot.bs make money? The about page and FAQ don’t explain what they’re monetizing.
Why would it need to make money, it's just a registry of information and a small about page with a list of entries. It probably runs on sqlite on a single $5 VM. Or a single db. Other than that, maybe ads
Because they also offer free DNS and email. There are no ads.
Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure
#375Great post, I did a similar switch mid last year. Hetzner was something I already used, so I just doubled down. I have a single OVH instance where I ma playing with Openclaw, but that was because I was having issues with Hetzner that day on their new instance page (was fixed the next day) I use Bunny for my CDN, I just wish they have the capabilityt to route IPv4 and IPv6 traffic to IPv6 only origins. If your origin…
For domains i find Openprovider.eu is pretty cheap imo, especially if you have a lot and buy in a package it is nearly costprice. Their DNS isn't great though, good enough for personal projects but not for business, would set that somewhere else.
> For domains i find Openprovider.eu is pretty cheap imo
A quick check of their pricing refutes your claim. They do list cheap domains, but it's due to promotional discounts on the first registration that they follow by charging a huge markup in renewal fees.
Case in point, I have a few domains that I have been paying namecheap peanuts to maintain, and the same domains are listed in openprovider.eu to cost between 5 and 10x as much to renew.
Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure
#376Earlier quoted context omitted.
For domains i find Openprovider.eu is pretty cheap imo, especially if you have a lot and buy in a package it is nearly costprice. Their DNS isn't great though, good enough for personal projects but not for business, would set that somewhere else.
Agree! If you have a number of domains and can justify a membership, they Openprovider (NL) is a good option. Some foreign extensions are quite expensive though. I happened to be looking into that yesterday, and Netim (FR) seems to be a good option for that. For the two extensions I need, they were among the cheapest with renewals.
> Some foreign extensions are quite expensive though.
It's not just foreign domains that are expensive. A quick check showed openprovider charges double of what other providers charge for .nl domains, and the same applies for other european TLDs, even .eu.
Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure
#377Earlier quoted context omitted.
You really don't? It's just a ton easier for most users: it's (almost) like already having an account. Just click a couple times and you're in, no typing at all, no email confirmation or anything like that. I also avoid it because I'm concerned about being over-reliant on google (what if they close my account?) and I know how to use a password manager, but I easily understand how 90-99% of the population doesn't care…
Passkey signup could be almost as easy. Type email address, click register, invoke WebAuthn flow (which is no more complex than social registration), done. Maybe you need email address validation for some reason, in which case it’s a wee bit more complex. Ideally there would never even be an option to make a password unless passkeys are unavailable.
> Ideally there would never even be an option to make a password unless passkeys are unavailable.
I like passkeys, but ideally it should always be an option to make a password, too.
Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure
#378My EU stack, works well and is cheap! Hosting and storage: Hetzner and Netcup Domain: ClouDNS with Failover Transactional email: Lettermint CDN: Bunny
My advice and experience is don't use Netcup. They are abysmal at customer service. I once registered a domain with them, and hadn't even paid, but then couldn't get my account deleted at all. Even multiple e-mails did not help and they insisted on keeping my data until half a year later or so. They absolutely behaved like complete holes, and I will never trust them again with anything. I don't know what they do with…
I’m not exactly a user with advanced needs, but I have a server with netcup and never had issues. I also know a couple of people who never had any issues with them. I know them as cheap and solid, never even heard of a bad experience I think.
Bummer they failed so hard at your deletion request.
Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure
#379Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mailersend is EU and fantastic
I got interested because i am looking to switch to european email service because of law requirements and i know MailerLite (their other product). But after looking at their site: "MailerSend is a United States-registered company." I understand they are based in EU but the main issue is that if they are registered in US then thanks to CLOUD Act afaik it doesn't really matter.
Might contact them about it, their mail servers are in the EU.
Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure
#380Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well MinIO has some weird quirks but I wanted to point out that "open source and free" and "self hosting" are not the same. MinIO took away the source, not the self hosting.
But the free self hosting is only for single node, isn't it? Not fit for high availability. And the process for the rest aren't public.
With "process" I meant "pricing".