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Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by LorenPechtel »

tomnipotent wrote: post #128
Aurornis wrote: post #51

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Most crimes like this are, sadly, committed by someone who has some connection to the family. It’s standard to investigate connections first. That’s not “appalling” to suggest, it’s just a sad reality of these crimes. They should be focusing on everyone connected to the family if known. It would be negligent not to. The confusion came from the way the article was written. They didn’t know the identity until afterward…

Something like 60-70% of violent crime involves victims and offenders that know each other, and with murder and sexual assault it's 70-80%.

Which isn't really relevant as most violent crime is criminal on criminal. Know each other doesn't mean they're friends. Many times it's rivals.

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Post by LorenPechtel »

concats wrote: post #298
Tarq0n wrote: post #200

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Putting that kind of filter in the way of speech seems ripe for abuse. In the UK once website blocking powers were established, their scope was extended repeatedly by courts for IP protection purposes.

> Putting that kind of filter in the way of speech seems ripe for abuse. On one hand I agree with you. Any automatic filter implemented can later be expanded to cover more and more things, such as messages from political adversaries for example. It's a slippery slope as we all know. On the other hand I don't think it applies in this context very much. If we're talking about content published by a corporation or such…

The slope isn't slippery, it's vertical. It's always misused. Thus it needs to be completely prohibited, lest the camel get it's nose in.

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

mghackerlady wrote: post #321
znnajdla wrote: post #180

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Not surprising to me at all. I’m a straight man and I’ve always dated single mothers, and it always shocked me how bad their ex partners were. Woman are drawn to toxic abusers like men are drawn to OnlyFans models and the real victims are the children. And women can be incredibly blind to what is going on with their child when they’re in a codependent relationship with the abuser.

Uhh. No. No, we're generally not drawn to abusers. It's the other way around, abusers are drawn to those at risk of abuse. Maybe don't pose ideas formed through confirmation bias as truth?

If you look at the dating history of typical abusive males, they have a long list of women who they've been involved with. In comparison, if you take the median male, their dating history involves a few chance encounters, one or two actual relationships, and a lot of struggle with loneliness. As a matter of statistics, women are very much attracted to abusive men, and not attracted to normal men who are not abusive. There is some level of personal accountability with that.

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

habinero wrote: post #281
znnajdla wrote: post #180

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Not surprising to me at all. I’m a straight man and I’ve always dated single mothers, and it always shocked me how bad their ex partners were. Woman are drawn to toxic abusers like men are drawn to OnlyFans models and the real victims are the children. And women can be incredibly blind to what is going on with their child when they’re in a codependent relationship with the abuser.

> and it always shocked me how bad their ex partners were. Woman are drawn to toxic abusers like men are drawn to OnlyFans models and the real victims are the children Huh. It, uh, sure is a choice to declare you deliberately only date women with underage children and then blame those women for being too stupid to recognize when they're dating dangerous men. The added bit about men getting away with abuse because wom…

Sure. But the prerequisite to make this possible is that wonen in general are very much attracted to dangerous men.

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

samiv wrote: post #224
znnajdla wrote: post #180

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Not surprising to me at all. I’m a straight man and I’ve always dated single mothers, and it always shocked me how bad their ex partners were. Woman are drawn to toxic abusers like men are drawn to OnlyFans models and the real victims are the children. And women can be incredibly blind to what is going on with their child when they’re in a codependent relationship with the abuser.

Case in point A Cuban fitness model engaged to a lowlife drug traffic currently in prison in Finland. She specifically traveled all the way to meet him after sexting with him on social media. https://www.is.fi/viihde/art-2000011776913.html

Imagine you or I sending a DM to some cuban dancer abroad. The probability of that leading up to engagement is basically zero.

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

habinero wrote: post #282
4gotunameagain wrote: post #190

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It's not very wrong unfortunately. Do you remember back in school that the nice, timid guys were friendzoned but the assholes always had girls after them ? There must be some evolutionary justification, but we have to live with that unfortunate reality..

> nice, timid guys were friendzoned There's a reason why "nice guy" is a stereotype. The people who describe themselves like this aren't nice or timid, but insecure, angry and judgmental. They tell stories like "women like assholes" to avoid coming to terms with the idea that they're unlikable.

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Re: Dark web agent spotted bedroom wall clue to rescue girl from abuse

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Post by LorenPechtel »

vintermann wrote: post #245
jacquesm wrote: post #102

So, I had a friend. Had because he's dead. He did this work for a decade and a half and then couldn't deal with it anymore. In that time he put countless assholes behind bars. At some point he stopped responding to my emails so I called the unit and they were absolutely devastated, this guy was the backbone of their operation, the one with by far the most computer experience of all of them. RIP Ronald. It is very har…

So why wouldn't the investigators follow the appropriate legal process? Now, I'm sure that everything present in this article is true . But I'm worried that the reason we get this article now (apparently the things the article describes happened 10-15 years ago) is because it's part of someone's job to build support for warrantless driftnet surveillance, mandatory real-ID systems etc. So I think it's fair to ask: why…

Because this was a fishing expedition. Do you let the police have a warrant to examine everyone in a large group?

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Post by rectang »

LorenPechtel wrote: post #364
rectang wrote: post #353

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No, parents do not always "know" about child sexual abuse. I cited a study about this elsethread[1]. And "Lucy" was young (no older than 12, possibly as young as 7) when the rapes began, which correlates with a reluctance to disclose. It is possible that the mother knew, but it is far from certain. The article didn't provide that context, because it chronicled detective work that led through a different chain of clue…

There often is a realm where they should have known but didn't want to admit it to themselves.

No one wants to admit that their child was raped, even if they are open to the possibility — so your assertion reduces down to "there often is a realm where they should have known".

Because the article doesn't give detail, we don't know. The mother could have forcefully spurned explicit disclosures from her daughter. She could even have participated in the abuse.

But there's also a possibility that since the perp was clever enough to hide identifying details while publishing CSAM online that he was clever enough to hide abuse from those close by.

I would condemn participation but forgive ignorance. Other commenters here will never forgive the mother no matter what.

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Post by efreak »

Pay08 wrote: post #212
tqi wrote: post #167

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Plus a chance to dunk on their biggest competitor for ad revenue and clicks (Facebook)

In what sense are Facebook and the BBC competitors?

In the sense that Facebook tries to keep everyone inside Facebook? I haven't kept up with it, but isn't Facebook well known for trying to prevent orders from browsing out?

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Post by 20after4 »

chaostheory wrote: post #326
Aurornis wrote: post #30

Am I reading this correctly that the address where they found the child was where her mother’s boyfriend was living? > "So we narrowed it down to [this] one address… and started the process of confirming who was living there through state records, driver's licence… information on schools," says Squire. > The team realised that in the household with Lucy was her mother's boyfriend - a convicted sex offender. There’s a…

There’s a lot of focus on Facebook in the article because they want public support to end privacy

Yeah this whole story reads like propaganda to me.
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