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FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by greesil »

reaperducer wrote: post #212
greesil wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android has work profiles, so that could be done in Android. iPhone still does not.

Android has work profiles Never ever use your personal phone for work things, and vice versa. It's bad for you and bad for the company you work for in dozens of ways. Even when I owned my own company, I had separate phones. There's just too much legal liability and chances for things to go wrong when you do that. I'm surprised any company with more than five employees would even allow it.

What's the risk? On Android, the company can remotely nuke the work profile. The work profile has its own file system and apps. You can turn it off when to don't want work notifications.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by asadm »

frereubu wrote: post #370
asadm wrote: post #355

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I can atleast still voice against Israeli genocide there. I am good for now.

How many people do you think see those tweets, how many minds do you think you have changed, and at what mental cost to yourself?

I see other's tweets. I don't think most are being shadowbanned. I am doing fine myself and pretty productive actually.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by digiown »

tadzikpk wrote: post #357
nxobject wrote: post #146

Sadly, they still got to her Signal on her Desktop – her sources might still be compromised. It's sadly inherent to desktop applications, but I'm sad that a lot more people don't know that Signal for Desktop is much, much less secure against adversaries with your laptop.

> I'm sad that a lot more people don't know that Signal for Desktop is much, much less secure against adversaries with your laptop Educate us. What makes it less secure?

The key in the desktop version is not always stored in the secure enclave, is my assumption (it definitely supports plaintext storage). Theoretically this makes it possible to extract the key for the message database. Also a different malicious program can read it. But this is moot anyway if the FBI can browse through the chats. This isn't what failed here.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by ElevenLathe »

b8 wrote: post #365
nova22033 wrote: post #236

Remember...they can make you use touch id...they can't make you give them your password. https://x.com/runasand/status/2017659019251343763?s=20 The FBI was able to access Washington Post reporter Hannah Natanson's Signal messages because she used Signal on her work laptop. The laptop accepted Touch ID for authentication, meaning the agents were allowed to require her to unlock it.

They can hold you in contempt for 18 months for not giving your password, https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/02/man-who-refused-... .

Being held in contempt at least means you got a day in court first. A judge telling me to give up my password is different than a dozen armed, masked secret police telling me to.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by orwin »

macintux wrote: post #274
ezfe wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this curious?

There appear to be a relatively few possibilities. * The reporter lied. * The reporter forgot. * Apple devices share fingerprint matching details and another device had her details (this is supposed to be impossible, and I have no reason to believe it isn't). * The government hacked the computer such that it would unlock this way (probably impossible as well). * The fingerprint security is much worse than years of ev…

My opinion is that she set it up, it didn't work at first, she didn't use it, forgot that it existed, and here we are.

> Apple devices share fingerprint matching details and another device had her details

I looked into it quite seriously for windows thinkpads, unless Apple do it differently, you cannot share fingerprint, they're in a local chip and never move.

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Post by zikduruqe »

aschobel wrote: post #305
AdamN wrote: post #280

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That's a strong statement. Also imho it's important that we use Signal for normal stuff like discussing where to get coffee tomorrow - no need for disappearing messages there.

I'm weird, i even have disappearing messages for my coffee chats. It's kind of refreshing not having any history.

I'm an inbox zero person... I keep even my personal notes to disappear after 2 days. For conversations 1 day.

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Post by thallium205 »

regenschutz wrote: post #359
kstrauser wrote: post #293

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Or squeeze the power and volume buttons for a couple of seconds. It’s good to practice both these gestures so that they become reflex, rather than trying to remember them when they’re needed.

Sad, neither of those works on Android. Pressing the power button activates the emergency call screen with a countdown to call emergency services, and power + volume either just takes a screenshot or enables vibrations/haptics depending on which volume button you press.

On Pixel phones, Power + Volume Up retrieves a menu where you can select "Lockdown".

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by jgwil2 »

everdrive wrote: post #363
TheDong wrote: post #250

I find it so frustrating that Lockdown Mode is so all-or-nothing. I want some of the lockdown stuff (No facetime and message attachments from strangers, no link previews, no device connections), but like half of the other ones I don't want. Why can't I just toggle an iMessage setting for "no link preview, no attachments", or a general setting for "no automatic device connection to untrusted computers while locked"? W…

>* Lockdown Mode disables javascript JIT in the browser - I want fast javascript, I use some websites and apps that cannot function without it, and non-JIT js drains battery more This feature has the benefit of teaching users (correctly) that browsing the internet on a phone has always been a terrible idea.

I think that ship has sailed.

Re: FBI couldn't get into WaPo reporter's iPhone because Lockdown Mode enabled

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

"Lockdown Mode is a sometimes overlooked feature of Apple devices that broadly make[sic] them harder to hack."

Funny to see disabling "features" itself described as "feature"

Why not call it a "setting"

Most iPhone users do not change default settings. That's why Google pays Apple billions of dollars for a default setting that sends data about users to Google

"Lockdown Mode" is not a default setting

The phrase "sometimes overlooked" is an understatement. It's not a default setting and almost no one uses it

If it is true Lockdown Mode makes iPhones "harder to hack", as the journalist contends, then it is also true that Apple's default settings make iPhones "easier to hack"

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