The TSA's New $45 Fee to Fly Without ID Is Illegal

Post by otterley » Tue, Feb 03, 2026, 6:10 AM UTC

Vicinity9635 wrote: post #371

otterley wrote: post #369

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And how, exactly, are you certain of this intended design?

"shall not be violated" leaves no loopholes. Just like the second amendment: >A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. "shall not be infringed" and "shall not be violated" do not leave loopholes. It's quite clear.

Post by seg_lol » Tue, Feb 03, 2026, 6:14 AM UTC

keeda wrote: post #358

caseysoftware wrote: post #160

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> So it was never about security at all then, was it? Never was. I flew every other week prior to covid and haven't once been through the scanners. For the first ~6 years, I opted out and got pat down over and over again. Then I realized I could even skip that. Now at the checkpoint, I stand at the metal detector. When they wave me to the scanner, I say "I can't raise my arms over my head." They wave me through the m…

> The TSA was NEVER about security. It was designed as a jobs program and make it look like we were doing something for security. To a great extent, it is security, even if it's mostly security theater, in the sense that it is security theater that people want . A large portion, maybe even the majority, of travelers simply won't feel safe without it. I've had and overheard multiple conversations at the airport where…

Post by otterley » Tue, Feb 03, 2026, 6:15 AM UTC

Vicinity9635 wrote: post #375

otterley wrote: post #372

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I didn’t ask you what the words say; anyone can read them. I asked you why you believe, based on the historical evidence, that the Constitution isn’t supposed to be interpreted by our courts.

I answered your question. Your failure of comprehension is not my problem.

Post by aschla » Tue, Feb 03, 2026, 6:18 AM UTC

rngfnby wrote: post #154

bb88 wrote: post #104

I once told TSA this: "I lost my Driver's License, and the state won't issue another for a month maybe. I understand there's an extra screening pat-down." Before entering the porno scanners I put everything in my pockets on the scanner belt, and they didn't bother to pat me down. YMMV.

"YMMV" I've had my testicles squeezed, fondled, but thankfully, mostly avoided.

Post by what » Tue, Feb 03, 2026, 6:18 AM UTC

paxys wrote: post #244

deepsun wrote: post #118

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RealID is unrelated to citizenship. It's a proof of an address, akin to soviet-style "propiska", which was very important and hard to get without (it also affected ownership/inheritance). What's more fun is that even though they accept different types of residence, they mostly trust utility bills -- but to set up utilities on your name even for your personal home utility company will ask a lot of documents, including…

Real ID/Drivers License being a proof of address is laughable. In my state (NY) they accept the following as proof of address for getting a new Real ID: - Bank statement - Pay stub - Utility bill - Any other state ID with the same last name, which I can claim is my parent or spouse. I can change my mailing address on any of them with a few clicks online, no actual verification needed. What they do NOT accept as proof…