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Re: Court orders restart of all US offshore wind power construction

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Post by titzer »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #313
igorramazanov wrote: post #136

If a country changes course every four years, how can the success of a long-term project be ensured? And what of its negotiating credibility? How can the other side trust that an agreement will hold in the future? This is not a critique, but a genuine curiosity, because there's an obvious drawback with a system with opposing world views. Unless, of course, something still unites them in the first place, with acceptab…

You attenuate the power of the presidency.

Wild that you're being downvoted. America was explicitly founded in rejection of the power of a monarch.

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Post by nebula8804 »

watwut wrote: post #262
nebula8804 wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other method of challenging them and trying to prove your point does not work either. There is no solution it seems. They need to suffer the consequences of their decisions on their own. Thats why I was so depressed. I have an engineering mindset of finding out how to improve things and there seems like there is no solution to this problem that involves remaining with this group as part of your society because it…

Steelmanning is not challenging them at all. It is whitewashing them, making softer argument so that they are more palatable and frequently undistinguishable from support. The only person challenged by such steelmanning is opposition to MAGA. They now have two opponents. They are made look as if they were exaggerating or were crazy when they accurately report to what MAGA does or says. They now have an additional, ba…

>Steelmanning is not challenging them at all. It is whitewashing them, making softer argument so that they are more palatable and frequently undistinguishable from support.

I think you misread what I wrote. Yes Steelmanning them is not challenging them. What I said was that if you go the other direction and challenge them it does not work either. It might makes you feel good but no progress gets made.

You put way too much emphasis into my original comment of steelanning them. The original goal of sitting and observing them for two years was to try to understand their mentality, their point of view to then figure out how to convert at least some of them. Thats where the depression came in when I realized that there is no plan, no ideology, and no real end state: just vibes in the moment. This is not a cohesive vision for the future of a country.

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Post by tialaramex »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #348
tialaramex wrote: post #326

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As you've seen, over, and over, and over again, this is their own internal rule they've changed it before and they can just change it again with a simple majority, the so-called "nuclear option". None of this has any actual weight, it's all theatre. Which doesn't mean it lacks consequences, but they could at any time just sweep it aside and they choose not to. Ironically, one thing the Senate does constitutionally ne…

> As you've seen, over, and over, and over again, this is their own internal rule they've changed it before and they can just change it again with a simple majority, the so-called "nuclear option". It's called the "nuclear option" because actually using it is mutually-assured destruction. They're not so stupid that they can't foresee ever being in the minority again when changing a rule where that consideration is th…

I think it's very telling that your understanding of the present situation is "you hate the other party's President".

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Post by Freedumbs »

ghtbircshotbe wrote: post #329
igorramazanov wrote: post #136

If a country changes course every four years, how can the success of a long-term project be ensured? And what of its negotiating credibility? How can the other side trust that an agreement will hold in the future? This is not a critique, but a genuine curiosity, because there's an obvious drawback with a system with opposing world views. Unless, of course, something still unites them in the first place, with acceptab…

This problem has already been solved. The legislature creates the laws, the executive executes the laws, and the judiciary interprets the laws. But now we're in a situation where the executive does whatever it wants including illegally shutting down congressionally created programs, the legislature lets it happen despite not having the votes to legally change the law, and the judiciary is also letting it happen when…

You need a mutex to constrain the natural tendencies. The mutex is regulation. Regulation has been defeated and we live in oligarchy (see: Gilens and Page).

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

fch42 wrote: post #305
4gotunameagain wrote: post #258

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> A rival nation can sabotage the infrastructure and maintain deniability, like we have seen with the Nord Stream sabotage. We didn't see that with Nord stream. It was not a rival nation, but an allied one unfortunately. And Germany did nothing. Zero.

Sometimes, not to do something can be the right (morally, technically, economically, ...) thing to do. You don't always need to present the other cheek to do right. Neither do you always need to retaliate. Nord Stream finally made it clear to Germany that "convenience" isn't a durable energy market strategy. It's not correct though that Germany has done "nothing". The suspects are pursued by Germany, https://www.dw.c…

What happened was beyond reprehensible. If the winter of 2022 was not unusually warm and the gas stockpiles had emptied, not only would the entire Eurozone (350 million people) have plunged into a massive economic crisis, but people would literally die.

Convenience, and cheap gas, was definitely a good strategy. Up until the point where our ally, the USA, would try to get Ukraine to NATO, provoke Russia to invade, and then help the Ukrainians blow up the pipeline.

The world is moving away from the US and I really cannot wait. They have done much more damage globally than good.

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Post by verdverm »

fundad wrote: post #352
verdverm wrote: post #98

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spite of one man child

Almost half of the voting public intentionaly acted to sabotage the country. Let's stop treating them with kid gloves, they are anti-American and should never be forgiven.

This is not how to reverse the damage that has already been done, if you are unwilling to forgive, you are as bad as MAGA, perhaps worse. Forgiveness is a core human virtue we do not want to lose.

No, half of the voters did not intentionally vote for this. Half of the voting public doesn't pay any attention and votes based on their finances or party allegiance.

You and I saw all the bad things to know what would happen. That was hidden from many people. Yes you can fault them for being ignorant, but that doesn't imply intentional malice

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Post by barbazoo »

array_key_first wrote: post #345
barbazoo wrote: post #196

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Interesting you say Newsom. Interesting, interesting very interesting. It’s just interesting you bring up Newsom. https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/gavin-newsom-short-circu...

What is this meant to prove or not prove? Or is it just, like, a little bit funny?

I just think it's unbelievably funny how uncomfortable he got. Definitely nothing suspicious there.

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Post by matthewdgreen »

rootusrootus wrote: post #360
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #264

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Elon Musk just announced spending 300 million to make it harder to vote. And it didn't even make the headline of the article I read it in. And he's being spreading lies about elections for years. Again, not regularly mentioned even in critical articles about him, because it's so normalized.

Elon is not the federal government, however.

Is he working in concert with the current administration on this issue? That's going to be the question with many of these new tech-billionaire/administration collaborations.

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Post by viccis »

monting wrote: post #299
tokioyoyo wrote: post #261

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Nothing is really stopping other countries from doing the same, to be honest. People are just scared to give legitimacy to what China has done for their citizens in a very short amount of time, because that would be against their own beliefs and morals. I'm not saying China is the best and whatever, just saying they've proven every "China is about to fall" headline that has been circulating around for the past 15 yea…

Debt is not fundamentally bad. But the financing has to be justified by positive return, be it in the service itself that makes money back to pay off the debt, or as a public good, returns in the form societal benefit as a result of the service. When you have massive buildups with no hope of returns, it's a a bad financial decision and the public carries the debt burden.

>But the financing has to be justified by positive return

Pure BS

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Post by GetTheFacts »

pjc50 wrote: post #334
ghtbircshotbe wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This problem has already been solved. The legislature creates the laws, the executive executes the laws, and the judiciary interprets the laws. But now we're in a situation where the executive does whatever it wants including illegally shutting down congressionally created programs, the legislature lets it happen despite not having the votes to legally change the law, and the judiciary is also letting it happen when…

> The legislature Congress 53/45 R; House 219/215 R > creates the laws, the executive Donald Trump (R) > executes the laws, and the judiciary SCOTUS (5-4 R) > interprets the laws. So Republicans create, execute, interpret, and enforce the laws. Congratulations on discovering how the party system works. Guess you're Big Poland (PiS) now. You can watch this on the news: Fox (R-Murdoch), CBS (R-Weiss), or read about it…

>> The legislature >Congress 53/45 R; House 219/215 R

It's the Senate, not "Congress". Colloquially, "Congress" usually refers to the House of Representatives.

>SCOTUS (5-4 R)

> interprets the laws.

Actually, it's 6-3, not 5-4.

I get that you're not from or live in the US. Please understand, I'm not trying to insult or demean you. But you're making statements that are not true.

I believe the term is "FTFY." And you're welcome.

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